QQ, 3-Bet, Facing Turn Raise

WIth a sample of 19 hands only you can forget about stats.

Hard to fold but yeah they are supposed to underbluff here. Could still be a FD or TT-JJ overplayed some of the time. So meh, whatever.

Easy call.

Min raise IP after calling OTF looks like a weak hand but it is a very strong move. Its a min raise and you can call this. The problem is that you are OOP for the river street. He can represent a lot if you check, which is likely with almost all your range. Could work as a bluff catch on good river cards against good opponents, but I wouldn't bet on that.
Tough spot, I would like to see what a solver has to say about it.

A solver certainly wouldn't fold QQ here because a solver wouldn't underbluff in villain's shoes if you'd allow it to minraise. Not having a Q♣: would help it to call etc. But I'm afraid CO's play doesn't mimic a solver lol.
I wonder when Fanko is thinking about folding something. Maybe in his worst nightmares sometimes he doesn't feel confident with his holdings. But in game, as long as he has a pair, no risk, of course.

We are betting our Ax often OTF even OOP right?
It's BB vs CO 3bet pot, so our range is of a decent size.
He has some Ax in his range too, so I like the 1/3 OTF. We get called by a lot worse here and our hand is strong.
Turn allows extra draws, so I get the bet. We have some flushdraws ourselves. Do we bet or check a flushdraw OOP here?
I think his range is still quite wide OTT. So, we may have some FE? I think that when playing a flushdraw as a check-raise we want some FE. No position for the river street is bad enough because even if we hit and bet, our range becomes so obvious imo.
Hitting the flushdraw and not betting OTR makes some sense? He has bluffs in his range and probably will bet them on a scare card IP. We could then check-raise or just check-call depending on the size and the card.
However, we check-raise OTT and then check OTR on our card? Looks like we want to induce.

Can't fold turn. If he is raising 99, 44-22, 65s and A5s (i.e. the nuts) you are toast. If you add one merged type raise in, say TT, you are getting direct odds to call (@21%). Add in JJ and its a slam dunk call. What about 55 as a semi bluff? What about complete air? FD's????

If I caught on to you folding hands such as this vs. this line, I am going to float flop and attack you on the turn with napkins and print $$$$$$. I don't mean to sound like a douche but there is no way he is only raising value here and it only takes a few combos to make calling turn +EV.

Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY
Hard to fold but yeah they are supposed to underbluff here. Could still be a FD or TT-JJ overplayed some of the time. So meh, whatever.

Solved it out.
Pre it's a pot size raise.
Flop is a 1/2 cbet.
Turn optimal is a check-call to 1/3 to 3/4. Check-raise against a PSB.
As played, it's a shove OTT.
River would be a check even if you hit a Q and called his raise OTT.

I was way too sick and tired to answer such a deep question yesterday sorry, but better late than never

Originally posted by zetozinho
We are betting our Ax often OTF even OOP right?

Yes. No. Maybe. Probably. Depends on the combos. Or if we chose to really mix. Or joker. I don't really know without solving it. I still suck at that type of spot in fact. There's one thing I should work on soon, I'll try to remember it.

Originally posted by zetozinho
It's BB vs CO 3bet pot, so our range is of a decent size.
He has some Ax in his range too, so I like the 1/3 OTF. We get called by a lot worse here and our hand is strong.

Sure but I'd quite like it a big bigger too I think. Proof that I'm not sure of myself with my whole range here.

Originally posted by zetozinho
Turn allows extra draws, so I get the bet. We have some flushdraws ourselves. Do we bet or check a flushdraw OOP here?

I like to keep up with FD here, moreover with GS but even without.

Originally posted by zetozinho
I think his range is still quite wide OTT. So, we may have some FE? I think that when playing a flushdraw as a check-raise we want some FE. No position for the river street is bad enough because even if we hit and bet, our range becomes so obvious imo.
Hitting the flushdraw and not betting OTR makes some sense? He has bluffs in his range and probably will bet them on a scare card IP. We could then check-raise or just check-call depending on the size and the card.
However, we check-raise OTT and then check OTR on our card? Looks like we want to induce.

Sure he's gonna float a lot of PP and Ax and check/raising could be tempting. But will he bet though ? It's the problem with playing NL5...
Hitting and not betting OTR, you mean, after a turn x/r or a turn call ? After a turn x/r I'd definitely shove. You won't induce much imo.

Anyway back to the spot as played, calling that minraise OTT is really meh because I don't see them doing it with say A9 lol (which would ironically be quite solver-like though but whatever). I don't get why a FD would do that either but then again it's still in the range of the possible at NL5 lol.

are we really assuming that this villain without a full stack is playing anything remotely resembling a "balanced" turn minraising strategy? i hope not

of course, we can consider a value jam if he overplays something, or as the "theory play" if we don't know what villain's range looks like. fortunately, though, some very respectable people have done the population analysis on the range tendencies here...

It's almost another world for me. I would've 3-betted a bit larger pre. 0,50 or even 0,55. Cbetted 1/2 pot OTF, to extract value from any AK, AQ, JJ-77, cbetted 1/2 to 2/3 OTT and probably fold to a raise without specific reads, if villain had a full stack. Otherwise, depending on how much was left, I'd probably call.

But I barely know how to play the basic. Playing balanced or playing my full range is still too advanced to me.
I don't know how to take the SPR into account either.