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CptJokerFish
Joined: 06.06.2017

100 buy-ins for MTTs is a super loose bankroll management. 300 buy-ins should be standard for 180-man sngs.

25 buy-ins for NL2 is a standard BRM. You should not have 10-20+ downswings on NL2 because the games are not aggressive and everyone there plays terrible.


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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

Ok, guys, I appreciate your comments but I don't want to put more money into my bankroll to have 300 buy-ins.
My main focus is on 45man and 90man SNGs. I mix it up with 180man and MTTs.
I don't want to play NL2 with this bankroll because it's swingy and with a rake as big as is now it's easy to bust. I don't want to constantly add money to my bankroll I will rather build my bankroll in micro speed.


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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

Playing session

0.50$ 45man - 1.82$ 5th place
0.50$ 9man - busted
0.50$ 45man - busted
0.50$ 45man - 3.34$ 3rd place
0.50$ 45man - busted

Bankroll: 52.85$


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

Happy New Year! :gl:

I know it's hard to get load enough games at night, but still, I'd rather play 1 less table, with more focus, than include a 9-man into an MTSnG session, except if I loaded it at the start of a calendar hour. You should have a rest during synchronised breaks, and it's spoiled if you have to act at that 9-man table.

Besides, there are disappointingly many high volume 'regs' in the $0.50 9-mans, so I've given up on them - 18-90 mans are noticeably softer (I don't like 180-mans because the bubble is lighter there, and opponents' ICM mistakes cost them less money). Feel free to disprove me - I know that a lot of people simply don't care about their tiny buy-in in the $0.50 9-mans and 'throw free chips at us', but there are plenty of reckless gamblers in MTSnGs too :f_drink: Originally posted by CptJokerFish
100 buy-ins for MTTs is a super loose bankroll management. 300 buy-ins should be standard for 180-man sngs.

25 buy-ins for NL2 is a standard BRM. You should not have 10-20+ downswings on NL2 because the games are not aggressive and everyone there plays terrible.

The BRM always depends on the relative skill. $15 on-demand turbos require an average reg to have a $3K+ bankroll because the opponents are tough on average. The 300 BI figure likely comes from the pre-2016 era when regs were loading a ton of midstake games to earn as many VPPs as they could.

There's no need for such caution at the micros. At the lowest level - $0.50 turbo 180-mans - a $30 starting BR is enough for a competent reg, especially because there's an option to move down to $0.25 non-turbo 45-90-mans every time when it falls below $10.

To each their own - I'm bad at postflop play, especially with 2 hole cards, and probably wouldn't last long at NL2 if I were given $50 to play it :f_biggrin: Fortunately, at MTSnGs, it's not as bad to sit tight for the first few blind levels while opponents increase my equity in the prize pool by busting each other.


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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

Happy New Year to you, too tonypmm and to every reader of my blog :f_drink:

Actually, this time I played only 1 table at the time and I registered into 9man because MTSNG didn't seem to get enough people to even start :f_biggrin:
I stopped to play 9mans 2 months ago because MTSNGs are more fun for me. This time it was only because of long waiting time.


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@mjez1 Happy New Year & Might The Cards Be With You ! :gl:

Best of Skills & Luck @ Tables,
OldSchoolPapa.


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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

Happy New Year J-C! Thank you and best of luck to you, too!


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Mortero
Joined: 17.06.2017

Happy new year, and good luck :)


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deralte71
Joined: 09.08.2010

Happy New Year. GL in 2019


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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

Happy New Year and best wishes for 2019 @Mortero and @deralte71 :gl:


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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

Playing session

0.50$ 90man - busted
0.50$ 90man - busted
0.50$ 45man - busted
0.50$ 45man - 4.35$ 2nd place
0.50$ 90man - busted
0.50$ 45man - busted

Bankroll: 54.20$


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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

Playing session

0.50$ 45man - busted
0.50$ 90man - busted
0.50$ 180man - 0.76$ 18th place
0.55$ 6-max hyper-turbo - busted
0.55$ 6-max hyper-turbo - busted
Progressive KO - busted
0.50$ 45man - busted
0.50$ 90man - busted
0.50$ 45man - busted
0.55$ 6max turbo - busted
0.55$ 6max turbo - busted
0.50$ 90man - 1.35$ 8th place

Bankroll: 50.06$

I will put some study tomorrow morning and let's see how an evening session goes :gl:


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

How are you going to manage not to confuse late game ranges in the future when you increase the table count to 6 or more if you continue mixing so many SNG/MTT formats at the same time?

Even if you do change the table backgrounds to different colours to distinguish 45-mans from 90-mans and both from 180-mans, you might forget to change the background for some of the SNGs when they start, or maybe it's just me who forgets that.

There's still decent traffic at the micros; it only takes 5, at most 10, minutes for another $0.50 45-man to start even at such an ungodly hour as 3 AM CET.

For example, today, the starting times of the five $0.50 45-mans in my mix were 3:14, 3:19, 3:26, 3:34 and 3:39, and I probably skipped a couple.

The $1 non-turbos filled up much slower, though - at 3:18, 3:44 and 4:13, but maybe I skipped 1-2 by accident.

At 1 AM, the lobby is a couple of times faster than that. E.g. on the Jan 2 morning, I sat into consecutive $1 45-mans that started at 0:55 and 1:08. I haven't made longterm observations of the lobby at these buy-ins, though.


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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

Hi Tonypmm, it's actually a really good question. I have a different background colours for sng and mtt in general
and I put a different colour on a hyper-turbos manually.
I have never thought about having a separate colour for 45, 90, 180-mans. It would be helpful if you could explain to me what the benefits are.
Well, my session usually finishes at about 1 AM CET so I don't know much about traffic at 3 AM.

I have to critically say, I know it is a big mistake, but I still don't have my ranges made.
It's a reason I struggle in a game.

I really like to play both sngs and mtts but you're right it slows down my bankroll building.

So the right decision would be to fully focus on mttsngs, make ranges, study from posted hands and post my hands
or at least having a session only with mtts and don't mix it with sngs.

I will appreciate your comments on this topic.


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

Originally posted by mjez1
I have never thought about having a separate colour for 45, 90, 180-mans. It would be helpful if you could explain to me what the benefits are.

The payout structures and bubble factors are very different, so the ranges are very different at the final 2-4 tables. It's a very costly mistake to use 180-man ranges at a 45-man FT, and vice versa; actually, it's even a significant mistake to use 180-man ranges in a 45-man with 27 or fewer players left.

Collin calls 45-mans 'a specialized format' because the ICM considerations are unique to this particular field size; the ICM effects are far less extreme in scheduled MTTs, where the payjumps with 26 or fewer players left are much more similar to those of a 180-man than to those of a 45-man if I'm not mistaken. As most of the MTT prize pool is distributed at the FT, using the correct ICM is very important there too.

If your longterm goal is to play scheduled MTTs, I think it will be profitable for you to replace 45-mans with the MTTs of PartyPoker when its Czech site opens. 45-mans teach the general skill of using the ICM, which is helpful because MTT payout structures do vary, but the specific 45-man ranges aren't that useful, and it's a waste of time to learn them by heart if you're not satisfied by mass-multitabling $1-1.50s with a winrate of up to $5 an hour ($3.50s are so tough that the hourly winrate there isn't much bigger than at $1.50s, according to a discussion in the Russian community; I'd rather add $4.50 regular speed on-demands when BR>$200).

All that said, it will be better if you ask Collin how to build your future career.

The unfortunate trait of Stars MTTs is that their FTs happen late at night in Europe, and as I've said, they have a huge influence on the ROI, so MTT regs like to move to Latin America or Canada in order to have a better sleep schedule, and such a move is known to increase the ROI substantially; conversely, those who stay in Europe and want to maintain any kind of a social life are at a disadvantage.


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

What I've written about MTT payout structures applies only to Holdem non-PKO MTTs, of course.

Non-Holdem MTTs have small fields :f_love::, and ranges have to be learnt for each of the possible payout structures separately because only a few places are paid except at weekly majors.

PKO MTTs are totally different because the fact that the winner gets a large portion of the bounty prize pool (their own whole bounty plus the HU opponent's whole bounty) makes the first place much more valuable. Plus, getting a large stack earlier than most of the opponents is even more valuable because it increases one's ability to earn bounties without exposing a large portion of the stack.


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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

Thank you for your explanation I appreciate it.

Can I get somewhere those variety ranges?


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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

Playing session

...a short one but a nice one...

0.50$ 45man - busted
0.50$ 90man - busted
0.50$ 180man - 2.43$ 7th place
0.50$ 90man - 5.67$ 3rd place

Bankroll: 56,16$


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

Originally posted by mjez1
Thank you for your explanation I appreciate it.

Can I get somewhere those variety ranges?

You have to work a lot with ICM calculator (e.g. HoldemResources, ICMizer or a free but primitive tool Simple Nash) and/or watch how Collin and LuckyLukePS do it in their videos, to develop an intuitive understanding of the general principles behind the construction of push / fold / minraise / 3-bet ranges depending on the stack distribution.

There are too many variables (the payout structure and all the stack sizes), and I'm afraid the decision-making process can't be represented by a simple chart; rather, it's necessary to learn which variables and HUD stats to pay attention to.

What I meant is that, for example, those regs who used to play 180-mans exclusively for the past few years and developed instincts that allowed them to usually make a decision in less than a second, would likely have trouble unlearning those instincts and adapting to 18-mans if they wished to multitable that format instead of grinding scheduled MTTs.

But such automated instincts are only necessary if you start playing at 9 or more tables, otherwise you have enough time to think deep on most decisions.


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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

I use H2N as a HUD and I mark some hands during a session. Then I try to analyze them in ICMizer. I have a free version. It used to work for 3 calculations per day but lately, it works only for 1 calculation per day. I am not sure if I am missing something but I can't recognize in H2N what type of mttsng it was so it makes analyzing a bit more difficult. I will look at the Simple nash I haven't heard about it yet. I watch Collin from time to time but I don't pay enough attention to his thought process. I'm about to change it because I am aware he produces very valuable content. Unfortunately for me, LuckyLukePS's videos are gold. I plan to upgrade to silver status in late January.


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