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Angstzweet
Joined: 13.01.2009

Hello there pokerfriends!

Today I will start with a 50 euro bankroll playing the games in the schedule.

I have some freeroll tickets I can use tomorrow (Double Trouble freeroll with 100 x 40 euro’s) and on Sunday two mission special freerolls. So maybe that can give my bankroll a nice boost.

Only for tonight I will deposit 10 or 15 euro’s extra so that I can play the Black Hole, a Deepstack bounty tournament and probably the deep space this afternoon.

Gl to all of us!!


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

I played the 5€ BlackHole on Saturday and the little Nano 0,5 € BlackHole. My goodness, that tourney takes forever!! :f_o: It´s really a black hole swallowing the players :facepalm: This is with unlimited re-buys. NEVER EVER AGAIN! :rage:


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Angstzweet
Joined: 13.01.2009

Originally posted by Primrose6789
I played the 5€ BlackHole on Saturday and the little Nano 0,5 € BlackHole. My goodness, that tourney takes forever!! :f_o: It´s really a black hole swallowing the players :facepalm: This is with unlimited re-buys. NEVER EVER AGAIN! :rage:

Haha I always play it as a freezeout because you get a real deep stack. Managed to win it two times already.


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Originally posted by Angstzweet

Originally posted by Primrose6789
I played the 5€ BlackHole on Saturday and the little Nano 0,5 € BlackHole. My goodness, that tourney takes forever!! :f_o: It´s really a black hole swallowing the players :facepalm: This is with unlimited re-buys. NEVER EVER AGAIN! :rage:

Haha I always play it as a freezeout because you get a real deep stack. Managed to win it two times already.

That´s what I did! Oh my goodness, it takes FOREVER! :rage:

I use to play rebuys as freezeouts too because if you make it ITM the price is really cool, the price pool gets really decent because of all the rebuys. I use to take an add-on but that´s it. But generally speaking: I´m not a fan of rebuys.


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Angstzweet
Joined: 13.01.2009

I love rebuy's :-p


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Angstzweet
Joined: 13.01.2009

Okay, got the bankroll up to 60 euro's but the most valuable lesson of today is:

"Don't bluff at the low limits, they really call off everything".

Out for now. Bye.


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Originally posted by Angstzweet
"Don't bluff at the low limits, they really call off everything".

It´s unbelievable what bizarre calls I have seen so far on Unibet :mdr: From 86s on a A-K-5 board to calling a preflop 3-bet with Q4s, hilarious :mdr: At the low limits I became a "AQ, AK, AA, KK, QQ, JJ"-player (in that sense) :mdr: Every single c-bet gets called with whatever, no matter :mdr: All you gotta do is wait for a solid hand and value bet big, even then you get called by bizarre draws, middle pair, botton pair and gutshots :mdr: Up to 5€ buy-ins, don´t bother! Just wait patiently for a good hand and then go with it (and hope you won´t get sucked out on).

That´s my experience on Unibet :mdr:


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Angstzweet
Joined: 13.01.2009

Some more games tomorrow evening. I am away for work, so I'm kinda busy.


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Angstzweet
Joined: 13.01.2009

Session is going good so far, just became 2nd in the Zenith (1 euro turbo MTT). Got it in on flop, don't like that turn:

Also final tabling the Galaxy nano at the moment. Go go go!


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Angstzweet
Joined: 13.01.2009

Just became third in the Galaxy nano for another 13 euro's. Not too happy about the end. First lost AQs to A9s, then lost a few pots to become the smallest stack after being the chipleader. Then I got KQo against the aggro bigstack and called a reshove but unfortunately the bigstack had AQ this time. Don't really know if that call was good. Don't think so.

Bankroll: €68.28


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Kruppe
Joined: 20.02.2008

first forum post in many years: Hi from a fellow UB player!

that's some very tight BRM! why so careful?

... i just took a closer look at your BRM. You shouldn't use the same BRM for NLHE and PLO, NLHE you need far fewer stacks.


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Angstzweet
Joined: 13.01.2009

Originally posted by Kruppe
first forum post in many years: Hi from a fellow UB player!

that's some very tight BRM! why so careful?

... i just took a closer look at your BRM. You shouldn't use the same BRM for NLHE and PLO, NLHE you need far fewer stacks.

It’s tight, iknow, but the swings can be massive. Maybe I will adjust it later. About the NLHE and PLO brm, its not my maingame only play it to get some mission points so dont take those too serious :-p


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

I think in BRM tight is right. Note: Luck cannot not always be at your side, you can´t win all the time, there will come a time, when you will get suck out after suck out, loose permanently against 3-outers and loose the most flips, miss most flops and get only very few playable hands (called downswing)Then you will be VERY glad having a tight BRM. MTTs are highly swingy. Enjoy your upswing but always be prepared for a possible downswing.


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Angstzweet
Joined: 13.01.2009

I agree but you can adjust some kind of moving up or down scheme to handle the swings but that takes discipline as well.


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

You can take shots during upswings, of course, I personally indeed move down in limits during a loosing streak, even though I´m just a hobby-player but I don´t feel like loosing money anyway :f_ugly: And from my personal experience: An MTT downswing is nasty: very very nasty! It can be awfully cruel! It´s pure torture!

And it can take LONG, VERY LONG!

I speak from my personal experience.

That´s why I play and like CG besides MTTs. You see quicker the results of your efforts. _biggrin:_biggrin:_biggrin:_ugly:_ugly:_ugly:


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

Originally posted by Primrose6789
I think in BRM tight is right. Note: Luck cannot not always be at your side, you can´t win all the time, there will come a time, when you will get suck out after suck out, loose permanently against 3-outers and loose the most flips, miss most flops and get only very few playable hands (called downswing)Then you will be VERY glad having a tight BRM. MTTs are highly swingy. Enjoy your upswing but always be prepared for a possible downswing.

On a related note, I've had a thought today that the biggest BRM mistake is the failure to invest more time into study or even more money into coaches when you've moved up to the highest limit that you can beat and downswings have started really stinging you there, because the improvement of skill boosts the ROI, reduces the size of downswings and will even allow you to eventually move 1 or more limits higher than the one you were previously beating.

However, if you feel that you're beating your current games with a comfortable EV ROI and have simply got unlucky, then just grind at lower limits, whose softness will allow you to restore the BR with less risk. Moving down weekly (or daily at hypers :f_biggrin: ) is an underestimated option. You don't need too many BIs to move up if you're ready to move back down if your next session goes poorly.


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

Originally posted by Primrose6789
You can take shots during upswings, of course

Swings are a construct of the human mind that seeks patterns where they don't exist. The decision what to play should only depend on the current BR size, on the availability and softness of the games that you're the best at, and more importantly, on the EV ROI that you expect to have given your current skillset and mental state.

What really happens to people who feel their downswings will continue (which is the so-called gambler's fallacy) is that tilt decimates their ROIs, and because the average downswing size is inversely proportional to the ROI, they lose more money, when in reality, they should have moved down just because of the ROI changes induced by the tilt, i.e. because they'd still be beating lower stakes with the B-game but are failing to beat their normal stakes with a higher hourly EV than the lower ones because of the B-game state.


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

Originally posted by Primrose6789
And from my personal experience: An MTT downswing is nasty: very very nasty! It can be awfully cruel! It´s pure torture!

And it can take LONG, VERY LONG!

It's indeed harder to be a recreational poker player than a high-volume professional because recs' swings take longer in the astronomical sense, especially at non-turbo games.

Moreover, when I 15-table Stars 45-mans (or 12-table 18-mans, or 9-table 9-mans), I simply have no time to think about how I'm running, my only concern is how to maintain a reasonably high quality of decisions without timing out :f_biggrin:


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Yes, rec´s swings take forever because we don´t play zillions of tourneys per day/week/month. And the long run is really LONG! Very long. For us hobby-players it takes years, depending on how many MTTs we play per week/month. You see your real ROI after several thousands of MTTs. For a rec it may take years.


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

Speaking of the MTT ROI estimation, unfortunately, the MTT community hasn't given it much thought, though I'm sure that a much more accurate estimate can be made on the basis of EV bb/100 winrates per blind level, fitted to a regression model taking into account that winrates decline when stacks get shallower, and also that part of the ROI comes from bubble ICM expertise.

Why is there no such model yet? Well, regs play a lot of volume and are OK with waiting for a few months for the ROIs to converge, while recs usually don't get too worried about their ROIs, as they have side incomes, and neither misluck nor bad play pose an existential threat to them.


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