3bet pot - BTN vs BB

Hey !
Would have played same way until turn. When he checks, I agree with you, it's a sign of weakness. So I would bet as a bluff to take the pot right away

So you're still playing ? You have time with the Carnival approaching ?

I don't see the point of betting that turn because I expect it to be check/raised and check/called a lot. We make fold what we already beat.

I don't want vilain to hit the river with whatever he has. I don't expect to be x/r or x/c a lot when he bets 1/3pot OTF and x the turn. And if he happens to call, I have a gutshot and an overcard that can still save me.
In addition, if I bet turn, vilain usually won't bluff the river. If I check, that can happen and it will be difficult to make a call with A high here.

That's a blatant check/raising spot for villain come on. By betting you are risking a lot to accomplish really marginal things (denying equity to hands that are already way behind and keeping him from bluffing the river as if he could do that easily lol). Just play your showdown value and retained equity instead of throwing it out of the window and allowing villain to play perfectly against you.

Oh yeah forgive me, betting 1/3 pot and x/r after is a very common line in micro, my bad.

... You haven't changed one bit.
Maybe one day you'll resolve to play actual poker though.

Could say the same. You always try to apply your theories (which may be good at higher limits, no problem with that) but never happen at low limits. Have you played low limits recently ?

Once again, at low limits, when an opponent is betting 1/3 OTF and x OTT, it's nearly always a sign of weakness. THEORETICALLY yes, it's a good spot to x/r, but no one is gonna do this at those limits.

According to my tracker, over the last 20k hands at micros, facing CBet OTF (didn't even put the sizing) and and facing x/r OTT has NEVER happened.

So...

Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY
Maybe one day you'll resolve to play actual poker though.

LOL

I don't know what kind of idiots you are playing, and good for you, but even at NL10 on good sites there are decent players you know.
Anyway telling a better player that he doesn't know what he's talking about because of the very fact you find him better is always fun to hear though so thank you for the nonsense.

You reasoning is so ridiculous it makes me wanna cry, you are treating any spot the same, you don't care about ranges, positions, board textures and all, you just see "oh he checks I can bet my hand duh". You're gonna go far kid.
But hey you played 20Kh at micros. Who am I to judge lmao. ♦

I'd play like you until the turn, and check OTR. Any PP is calling there, so you're just trying to bluff AQ.

Let's calm down, shall we
Floxy is a mad troll but sometimes he has something wise to say too. In this case I think his opinion regarding the turn is ok. I think we could in some cases indeed bet the turn but then we should be prepared to barrel the river too.
Btw I don't believe that cbet flop and xr turn line has never happened in a 20k hand sample. And if that is really true, it is very weird.

That escalated quickly because AnDoRPoKe and me knew each other from the french community years ago (and already didn't get along at all).

Indeed if we take a stab OTT AQo+ is gonna call and we will accomplish the great achievement of making A9s- fold, congratulations. So we need to also bet OTR to actually bluff some hands but all in all it's risky and we'd prefer to try that with hands that have less SDV and therefore less to lose.

Thank you all.
I know I have some showdown value in this situation, but would really meh to lose to AQ ♦
I don't expect to be check-raised often OTT at NL10, but I agree that by betting we give up equity. Besides, I'd have a much difficult decision OTR if I took that line. With some more info on villain, namely cbet stats and fold to cbets, I bet turn with the intention of stealing the pot right way sometimes.
I decided to bet river mainly because of the common auto-profit line that is a population tendency. Until it keeps this way no reason to miss this spots and improve my red line ♦

About Carnival Floxy... yes, we're already all crazy about it, 1 week to go and I already have set the wine pipes, including some french one ♦

Originally posted by zetozinho
About Carnival Floxy... yes, we're already all crazy about it, 1 week to go and I already have set the wine pipes, including some french one ♦

I didn't make it so I decline full responsability if it's bad
Well in fact it should be better that way. Enjoy it well, you alcoholic.

Yeah we've been in love for years now He is so cute when you disagree with him, can't resist the charm sorry, won't happen again