two trips

I think with both hands its going to be hard to get away from them, however i think with the JT you possibly could have found a fold by the river. I find that players never really have bluffs in these situations at these stakes especially on stars, once they raise flop and barrel off its almost always value and also by the river now you are only really beating a bluff....

I would probably lose € on this spot also.

Originally posted by cms81
I think with both hands its going to be hard to get away from them, however i think with the JT you possibly could have found a fold by the river. I find that players never really have bluffs in these situations at these stakes especially on stars, once they raise flop and barrel off its almost always value and also by the river now you are only really beating a bluff....

I think exactly the opposite. I would call down the first hand but will bet/fold ont he river on the second one. When they raise the river here - they always have a full house or 35/85 and never KJ/Kt that you beat. Ppl will only call KJ/KT here

Dnes, 14:05
Původně odeslal cms81
Myslím, že s oběma rukama bude těžké se dostat pryč od nich, ale myslím, že s JT jste možná mohli najít záhyb u řeky. Zjistil jsem, že hráči v těchto situacích nikdy nemají blufy v těchto sázkách, zejména na hvězdách, jakmile vyrazí flop a barel z jeho téměř vždy hodnotné hodnoty a také z řeky, tak teď opravdu biješ jen blaf.

Myslím, že přesně naopak. Já bych zavolal první ruku, ale vsadím / složím na řeku na druhou. Když zde zvednou řeku - mají vždy plný dům nebo 35/85 a nikdy ne KJ / Kt, který porazíte. Ppl zde zavolá pouze KJ / KT

I think I can't fold here. I loose these hands but If I take habit to see sets on every flops I have to stop playing.

I will fold the second hand for sure. We have trips but actually nothing has changed OTR. I don't see him turning a FD into a bluff ever, as we show so much strength. He does not have a draw, but he certainly has something and if it's not a draw it has a showdown value, or it beats us. He'll only raise when we are beat, anything that we beat is just calling us. On the first hand I'll lose my stack too, there is no escape, I think.

It is difficult to understand at my level. I am unable to see a difference between these two hands.

I thank you for your answers.

1st hand I would call down too. He's playing short stack and that's the main reason.
2nd hand I would check turn OOP as a pot control move. If the plan is to triple barrel, I don't know what you are expecting to get called by. Double barrel and then check/call or check/fold river depending on the card would be ok too.
You get 2.5-1 odds on a call, which means roughly 30% equity, but the thing it that it won't be a bluff. Trust me.

Just make a note on these spots and i would say almost every time that you find yourself in these situations on stars you will almost always be beat, just my opinion from what i have seen at the micros on stars....