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(FR) AA - overpair vs donk turn 3-way

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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

All unknowns.

$0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players

BB: 27.4 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: 102.7 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (UTG+1): 100 BB
MP: 43.4 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
MP+1: 136.2 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
MP+2: 164.1 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: 217.1 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BTN: 94 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
SB: 33.2 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥ A♣

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) Q♣ J♠ 7♦
BB checks, Hero bets 5.8 BB, CO calls 5.8 BB, BB calls 5.8 BB
Thoughts and questions:

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should I cbet bigger here?

Turn: (26.9 BB, 3 players) 9♠
BB bets 18.6 BB and is all-in, fold, fold
Thoughts and questions:

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Too nitty? Here I was not worried so much about BB (even do donking against 2 players look a bit scary), but I was not sure if CO would join if I had called and I would be completely lost OTR.
I believe, against the short stacker alone, I would have called even knowing I would be beat a reasonable amount of times.

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BB wins 25.6 BB


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cms81
Joined: 24.04.2013

I think your cb sizing OTF is fine. OTT I think this is close as you are multi way but against a short stacker i would just have called as there are still plenty of draws out there that villain could have picked up and wanted to go with even pair+ draws that you are well ahead of...


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

This is not a 3 handed game, but a 3 way pot :f_wink:

Pre-flop and on the flop seems standard, but I wouldn't mind to Cbet a little bit more like 6-7bb against 2 most likely weaker players. Turn is meh, but I don't think folding is to bad. Off course it's interesting how he gets so short after playing 1 hand. Could be a tilt move.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Originally posted by SDK1987
This is not a 3 handed game, but a 3 way pot :f_wink:

Noted and fixed. Thanks, all.


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

Im also inclined to call.
When i see short stack calling pre, im usually counting he goes a all in the post flop.


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romanista06
Joined: 03.10.2014

I preffer to call OTT


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

In a 30bb pot against an apparently fishy player, I would call the turn. I like to avoid high variance moves, but I definitely give too much credit to small stacks shoving on wet boards (and I shouldn't from what I've seen at showdowns ). They'll appear with all kind of draws.
A drawback in this specific hand is the fact that CO has position over you and if he decides to raise your turn call you'll be in a weird spot. He already indicated he likes is hand OTF.


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Villain had

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A4 spades


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semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

I'll never fold OTT, you have great odds and his move does not make sense, if he has the nuts he will wait for you to bet again, there is still one more street and he has just 18BB, there is no need to lead OTT. The player is likely a fish, he can have anything, all kind of draws, any pair or even nothing. You just can't fold for 26-27%


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Densyosh
Joined: 30.10.2009

When you're UTG on a FR table, I think it's better to OR 4x at least (I mean about what I saw of your tables HH)
And yes, 7bb+ should be good for cbet here.. and CO won't call too light I guess when you call so it's a easy call for you..


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

In the past, I tried a couple of different strategies before stucking with this one.
I tried positional dependent bet sizes: 4 or 3.5bb (ep), 3.5 or 3bb (mp) and 3 or 2.5bb (lp).
Then I tried fixed sizes: 5, 4 and 3bb from all positions.

So far, the most comfortable to me, using my range, was 3bb from all positions.

Originally posted by Densyosh
When you're UTG on a FR table, I think it's better to OR 4x at least (I mean about what I saw of your tables HH)
And yes, 7bb+ should be good for cbet here.. and CO won't call too light I guess when you call so it's a easy call for you..


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Densyosh
Joined: 30.10.2009

Originally posted by pguest
In the past, I tried a couple of different strategies before stucking with this one.

According to me, best strategy is to not be stucked in only one strategy.. Poker is all about adaptation and I specified "about what I saw of your tables".. on a standard FR table (tight) you can use 3x but on those tables with so many callers AND short stackes, you could choose to 4x from every position except BTN, for example..

Originally posted by pguest
So far, the most comfortable to me, using my range, was 3bb from all positions.

It's not a good argument imo because it seems to be comfortable for you only preflop :f_smile:
And real purpose is to create mistakes from Vilains, unless you wanna play absolut GTO.. but looking at those tables*...........

E/ * in fact, it looks like SH tables + a lot of dead money.. so i will look at those FR tables on my room, thank you ^^


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