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pguest
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26.06.2019, 10:53

Not really FR, I guess (it was a FR table with only 4 players).
Without any reads on villain and counting only on this insignificant sample size, is this a bad call with JJ?
What would be the bottom of my range here, to call from the BB, playing only 4 or 5-max?
And as the SB, what would be the bottom of my range to 4bet shove?

$0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players

CO: 72.4 BB (VPIP: 91.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BTN: 102.9 BB (VPIP: 54.05, PFR: 32.43, 3Bet Preflop: 10.81, Hands: 75)
SB: 119.5 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (BB): 139.7 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♥ J♠

fold, fold, SB raises to 4 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, SB raises to 119.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 107.5 BB

Flop: (239 BB, 2 players) 3♣ A♣ 7♦

Turn: (239 BB, 2 players) Q♦

River: (239 BB, 2 players) 6♣

Spoiler

Hero wins 229 BB


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Pokamon
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26.06.2019, 12:15 +1

Originally posted by pguest
What would be the bottom of my range here, to call from the BB, playing only 4 or 5-max?

it is SB vs BB. there is no difference how many players have folded before. so go w your usual standards.


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Densyosh
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26.06.2019, 12:57 +1

I disagree.. Because of the dynamic, range are different according to players number..
Here, best is a flip vs AK/AQ so I would fold.. If he does again or seems to be maniac, you'll know what you have to do ^^


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cms81
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26.06.2019, 13:51 +1

I think i personally would have found a fold Vs an unknown 4b jam sb v bb at best its going to be a flip but more often than not your going to be a 4 to 1 underdog against QQ+..


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SDK1987
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27.06.2019, 13:52 +2

Blind against blind it's really tough to fold JJ. Especially against a LAG in a 4 handed game. I wouldn't be surprised you get it in against hands like TT and AQ and maybe even AJ pre-flop.

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zetozinho
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27.06.2019, 14:13 +1

Yep, JJ is a monster in blind battles against good players.
Micro stakes players usually have inelastic ranges, dont adapt to stack/bet sizes and thats why you should proceed carefully, specially in this spot because it is a 4bet shove.


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