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(FR) KK - middle pair in squeezed pot

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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Please, keep in mind that I played as villain was unknown (HUD stats only appear after 20hands).

How would you have played vs unknown?
And vs a maniac?

$0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players

MP+1: 170.8 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
CO: 96.6 BB (VPIP: 90.91, PFR: 45.45, 3Bet Preflop: 60.00, Hands: 11)
BTN: 95.2 BB (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (SB): 113.6 BB
BB: 88.8 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
UTG: 120.8 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
UTG+1: 287.2 BB (VPIP: 46.67, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 15)
MP: 118.6 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♣ K♠

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 10 BB
Questions and thoughts:

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is this size ok vs unknown? Vs a maniac fish, should I shove?

Flop: (31 BB, 2 players) A♥ 6♥ Q♣
Hero checks, CO bets 22.2 BB, fold
Questions and thoughts:

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check/fold vs unknown for this size in this board?
check/call vs maniac fish (knowning that I'd probably had to call him down and sometimes lose to a weak random A or random 2 pair)

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CO wins 29.6 BB


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Seems well played against a unknown. I wouldn't mind to Cbet/fold to a raise ether on ace hight board for thin value and protection.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Pre ok but if you raise 14 or 15BB villain will call so i think you don't do mistake if you 3beted bigger pre flop.
Flop i think you should have to cbet because if villain have 1010, JJ or some player call any pair, so KK give up here i think poor play maybe nity but villain range not only Ax here and QQ.

SDK you not cbet this flop vs unknown? Just give up if villain beted the flop?


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semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

Well played IMO. Yes villains range consists of not only Ax hands, but he has something that we don't have - position. He has the advantage and can take the pot from us, we can't. You can of course c-bet, but I don't think it will be profitable, you don't have any backdors and you will not be able to continue OTT. And the c-bet wont generate enough folds, or at most it will be with neutral equity. If he checks back you can bet OTT.


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

Maybe a betting a bit Higher pre, since you Will bem OOP.
I would probably cbet flop, as i do most of the time.
But seems WP to me.


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Oriubix
Joined: 16.07.2019

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 13 BB

I would raise slightly more than this. You're OOP and you want to charge weaker hands to hit. My standard 3b sizing OOP against a 3 BB open is 12 BB, plus 3 for each caller. So in this case, 15 BB. Not only are you charging weaker hands more to hit, but you're decreasing the SPR making it easier for yourself to make decisions post-flop, and get the money in on later streets without making enormous bets.

Flop: (31 BB, 2 players) A♥ 6♥ Q♣

I wouldn't mind a x/call on the flop, and x/fold if he barrels the turn. You'll want to balance your checking range here with some weaker Ace/x combos like A2-5s, ATs, AJs so you don't get exploited. If you're only checking here with underpairs then good players can just barrel you off the pot.

Against maniac aggrotards, you probably just want to x/call your TP/set hands here to induce multiple bets. However, in this particular spot, I think I would fold. Maniacs are likely going to barrel all streets, and I don't think I would be comfortable calling down with just 2nd pair, which is why you're better off bluff-catching with weaker aces. Furthermore, if we call down with 2nd pair and get shown Ace-rag we're going to lose our shit. Take the lower variance option and x/fold versus maniacs, find better spots!


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