Skip to forum
Notifications
Clear all

two pair OTR villain raises mw

11 Posts
7 Users
0 Reactions
989 Views
mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $5.02 (100 bb)
MP: $5.77 (115 bb)
CO: $5.35 (107 bb)
BU: $7.83 (157 bb)
SB: $8.80 (176 bb)
BB: $6.23 (125 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with 9 8
Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, CO calls $0.15, 1 fold, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.50) 9 2 K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.23, CO calls $0.23, SB calls $0.23

Turn: ($1.19) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($1.19) 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.55, CO raises to $1.67, SB folds, UTG (Hero) folds


This is a standard open for me on UTG (but maybe not for every one)
My cbet OTF is fine I think. Maybe the sizing could be lower because this is a thin valuebet.
I think I have more Kx hands in my range than CO, but less than SB.
They both called and I thought that I should give up at this point on the turn. I checked and everyone else, too.
The river was interesting because it brang me a second pair but it also completed a flush.
I'm wondering if my value bet is a correct play here. Would you rather check/call in this spot?
I decided to fold because I didn't find a hand which would try to bluff me off this spot.

Thank you for your thoughts.


Reply
Quote
10 replies
zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

I think both checking and betting the flop are fine, but I lean more towards checking OOP. Don't think IP player should probe too often on K high boards vs your range. You should be checking some Kx (KJ, KT) too.
I don't think you'll get called often by much worse and you're right when you say it is a thin value bet.
When they both call you are behind. Turn I don't mind giving up.
River you improve and bet/fold is definitely the line here. Kx won't raise. You don't get bluffed enough or at all I would say. You still have a strong perceived range and top pairs with flush blockers should call sometimes.
I don't find much bluffs you can have, although you don't really need to have a bluffing range vs 2 opponents.


Reply
Quote
mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

Originally posted by zetozinho
You should be checking some Kx (KJ, KT) too.

This is a new angle of view in this hand because I would definitely bet those to get a value from their weaker Kx hands.


Reply
Quote
zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Originally posted by mjez1

Originally posted by zetozinho
You should be checking some Kx (KJ, KT) too.

This is a new angle of view in this hand because I would definitely bet those to get a value from their weaker Kx hands.

The thing is that CO shouldn't have weaker Kx, like K9 or below when you open from UTG. Would be thin too.


Reply
Quote
semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

Fold PF, you don't need to have this hand in your UTG range at 5NL zoom. Check OTF, as played x/f OTT and b/f OTR is fine.


Reply
Quote
mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD
Fold PF, you don't need to have this hand in your UTG range at 5NL zoom. Check OTF, as played x/f OTT and b/f OTR is fine.

Well, Confidant91 and Fallout86, they both have this hand in the opening range from UTG in their beginner's course.
You're right I don't need to have this hand in my UTG range but I like to play this hand.


Reply
Quote
Orochimaro
Joined: 09.05.2008

I like checking/raise flop with this hand. As played, i go bet/fold river too.


Reply
Quote
pokerplayernumber1
Joined: 05.06.2010

I would play the same as u did


Reply
Quote
vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

If I cbet vs 2 i would cbet larger blocking 99, and very unlikely to encounter 22 at all. 75% to 100% the bigger it is the most discouraging will be to continue with trash! The point is folding out there equity and protecting ours with such vulnerable hand, which we simply haven't enough equity to X/C! If they are CSs we should simply x/f:)
X/r is also an option, but we need info and enough aggression to make it work!

87s is obligatory open for EP, even 76s is;)


Reply
Quote
semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

Originally posted by mjez1

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD
Fold PF, you don't need to have this hand in your UTG range at 5NL zoom. Check OTF, as played x/f OTT and b/f OTR is fine.

Well, Confidant91 and Fallout86, they both have this hand in the opening range from UTG in their beginner's course.
You're right I don't need to have this hand in my UTG range but I like to play this hand.

It's not wrong of course, but, this hand wont win much and you'll often end up in difficult spots, you'll waste time and energy, this is zoom, time is money, you can fast fold to much more profitable and easy hand. Regular tables is another story I can have this hand or not, depends on the players.


Reply
Quote
mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

Ok, thank you for your explanation, I will keep it in my mind.


Reply
Quote