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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

I play any AXs in hopes of a flush. AJo is the minimum Ace offsuit that I play. I fold flops if I don’t have top pair, set, flush draw, open ended straight draw, or better. I have second highest pair at the flop and have no interest in investing more money in this hand. I would have folded this hand regardless of which player betted. Take it. I don’t care enough to fight for this hand. In most cases if I have paired Queens on the flop, but somebody bets with a King on the board; I would fold. Just wait for a better hand before investing money. I would open bet with Queens with a King board. But, I would not call unless I had a good read on the bettor. Of course, I do not argue that this is the best or only winning strategy. PokerTracker leak metrics shows that my WWSF (Won When Saw Flop) is very low at 37%. Most winning players have a 42% to 52% WWSF. I present this hand because I like reading posts when players discuss different strategies.
Ignition - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 95.6 BB (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
UTG: 106.08 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
UTG+1: 28.04 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 39 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (MP+1): 147.28 BB
CO: 97.6 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BTN: 91.44 BB (VPIP: 57.89, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
SB: 68.88 BB (VPIP: 31.58, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♣ 9♣

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, Hero calls 1 BB, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, SB calls 0.6 BB, BB checks

Flop: (5 BB, 5 players) 8♦ 9♥ J♣
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 3.56 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

BTN wins 4.76 BB


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would isolate the limper with a 4x raise. Than you have a decent change you play HU against him and than it's easier to play the hand post-flop I think. As played you have only backdoor draws and multi way I would give up as well.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

Originally posted by SDK1987
I would isolate the limper with a 4x raise. Than you have a decent change you play HU against him and than it's easier to play the hand post-flop I think. As played you have only backdoor draws and multi way I would give up as well.

Cheers,
SDK1987

I am mostly interested in other winning players' WWSF stats. How are your WWSF stats?


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

i am at 48% wwsf, and a few years back when games were nittier, it was well over 50%.
it seems to me that you play a very fit-or-fold strategy. you can win if you don't play against players who fight for small pots effectively and people are paying off your good hands.

i was raised in old school full ring zoom, which were most likely the nittiest games on earth, so i learned how to fight against players like you. but, as long as not many players in the pool are fighting for small pots, you can get away with it (if games are like that, you probably have to make more "big folds" than usual, as well)


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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

Tomaloc – Very enlightening! I never heard of the Fit and Fold strategy. This somewhat describes me. However, my opponent reading skills are probably above average and I bluff Flops (sometimes Turns) when the board may scare a Villain. You mentioned making more big folds. I can see that as being a problem with some Fit and Fold players. But, I am so tight (about 14%) that I always have strong hands when I hit. TPTK, TPSK, set, flush, two pairs, or better are common. Thus, I rarely fold to strong River bets with my made hands. Also, I liked how you described “fighting for small pots.” That is why I posted this hand to hear about different winning tactics. I frequently say to myself, “Man, you want that small pot so bad. Take it. It ain’t worth fighting for.” Again, I said that I am interested in other winning tactics. Thus, I am not criticizing other successful strategies. Simply learning from others.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

yeah, the counter to your strategy is to be very aggressive with blind stealing and on the flop (and some decent amount of turns), but not really get involved in big pots against you. a lot of small pots really add up over time, since small pots happen at a high frequency.
but ignition is anonymous, right? so it's all about countering what the player pool is doing.


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