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Fold overpair vs shove?

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LacsapR
Joined: 14.07.2011

not too special this hand I guess, but wondering if we should let go here vs this shove on the turn....just calling was no option for me as we would be committed anyway. So decision was shove or fold.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5.22 (104.4 bb)
BB: $4.11 (82.2 bb)
UTG: $9.13 (182.6 bb)
Hero (MP): $7.29 (145.8 bb)
CO: $8.98 (179.6 bb)
BTN: $6.62 (132.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K♠: K♥:
UTG raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.37, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.27

Flop: ($0.81) 9♠: J♠: 3♣: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.59, UTG calls $0.59

Turn: ($1.99) 5♦: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.55, UTG raises to $4.82, Hero raises to $6.33 and is all-in, UTG calls $1.51

River: ($14.65) 5♣: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

$14.65 pot ($0.61 rake)
Final Board: 9♠: J♠: 3♣: 5♦: 5♣:
UTG showed J♦: J♣: and won $14.04 ($6.75 net)
Hero showed K♠: K♥: and lost (-$7.29 net)


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ur line looks strong and while villain could play AX of spades this way, he will not always and might not even have hands like A6 or a7s in his preflop calling range, but you have the K of spades so i don't know.
i think as per baluga theorem can fold turn and save some dollars.
is folding overpairs problem or it's np?


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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

It seems very passive to fold an overpair of QQ+. If I faced a shove with TT or JJ overpair, I would fold. But, with your KK overpair, this is a good call.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

It depends how aggressive the villain is, but if you deal with a tight player I would expect he has only a set in a spot like this on the turn.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

Originally posted by SDK1987
It depends how aggressive the villain is, but if you deal with a tight player I would expect he has only a set in a spot like this on the turn.

Cheers,
SDK1987

What is your advice to somebody who plays at Ignition which is anoymous and you really can't get enough stats to gauge a player's aggressiveness?


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

play your readless lines. These lines tend to represent the population reads you gathered at you stake.

greets

maniac


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generals007
Joined: 17.09.2007

Originally posted by srichards
If I faced a shove with TT or JJ overpair, I would fold.

So wait. You #neverfold TPTK without straight or flush scare on board, but you're perfectly willing to let go of a lower overpair when faced with a shove?

Originally posted by SDK1987
It depends how aggressive the villain is, but if you deal with a tight player I would expect he has only a set in a spot like this on the turn.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Exactly this. Top pairs with good kickers would usually call you off instead of shoving (otherwise they isolate themselves against your better hands) and top pair with a flushdraw is not possible, so I think you're more often than not beat against tight players. QQ is possible but less likely after the preflop call.


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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

generals007 - This forum is a perfect learning tool. I just thanked everybody for correcting my flaw TPTK strategy. See my last post on this thread https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=3078472#post3078472 I should have said that I would be more inclined to fold TT or JJ. However, today I read some opponent signs and correctly decided to call TT overpair. It is highly unlikely that I would fold QQ+.


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generals007
Joined: 17.09.2007

That's good. I'd also call off much worse hands if my opponent plays crazy enough. But I also make very tight folds vs rocks.

I agree, this forum is great. It's the only reason I'm here.


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