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3-bet pot, tricky turn spot

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Coolerzzz
Joined: 18.10.2011

SB unknown, only 20 hands with vp21/pr21.
Betted turn for protection, against JJ,QQ w :heart:. In game situation, i didn't really think about what to do if he x/r here, so was kinda lost. Opponent's line look super strong so decided to fold. What do you think of the play and how you would play yourself in this kind of situation?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP: 100 BB
CO: 100 BB
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 284.64 BB
BB: 184.4 BB
UTG: 43.92 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♠: K♠:
UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, SB raises to 14.8 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 10.8 BB

Flop : (31.6 BB, 2 players) T♦: 9♥: K♥:
SB bets 16.6 BB, Hero calls 16.6 BB

Turn : (64.8 BB, 2 players) 3♥:
SB checks, Hero bets 22.28 BB, SB raises to 150 BB, fold

SB wins 104.44 BB


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generals007
Joined: 17.09.2007

I'm definitely folding to that c/r as played. His range has you screwed. He can play any 2 pair for protection this way, Might already hold JQ and try to protect it, have a set and want to protect it, or simply have the flush. He will more often than not call with hands like KQ or KJ and QQ. I think you're clearly behind.

Consider 4betting pre? You can make it thin and odd for him to shove over you. You are effectively 100BB deep and in position. Lots of worse hands will call you if you don't make it too expensive, you're still narrowing the range, will get to fold to clearly better hands and still have outs with your suited cards if he gets "tricky". You can also profitably get it in quicker on the flop before the draw hits.

I think the board is very wet on the flop. His cbet sizing almost looks like a blockbet. He may be inducing, but with all the combinations that raise you and still call you off with outs I might consider reraising here. You may also be isolating yourself against better hands if he doesn't call that loosely, so I understand if that's not the line you want to take at all.

If I'm raising the turn, I'm making it expensive enough to not let him draw out on another :heart:. :Jx:, :Qx: for almost nothing. Again, I understand the sizing, because the flush may also have you way behind, but this isn't a "way ahead / way behind" situation, but rather a "slightly ahead with him having outs / way behind" situation.

In summary I would probably have lost more than you did post flop, because villain probably would have called flop unprofitably with his flushdraw or called it off with his already better hand, then would have gotten even more out of me on the turn, where I'd have had to fold as well or been already committed.

If anyone experienced would review my thought process here and give me some counterarguments to my possible lines I would be glad, because I'm not at all confident that my aggressive play here is warranted.


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

I don't think we have thin value OTT and we should x back and call/bb OTR;)


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

well I would 5 bet him pre . You block AA an KK. If you call pre I raise flop for value and protection. I guess that means I would shove flop. If you call you should check back turn and call a resonable river bet. Most of the time you want to keep pots small when you dont know for sure if you are ahead or not.

greets

maniac


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Pre could be a re-raise.
Definitely no raise OTF.
I dont understand the turn bet/fold line with 70bb left. I would check back and re evaluate OTR.


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i would jam preflop. It might look like you wanted to isolate the fun player who limps utg. So he might reraise you here with a wider range then AKS. wich you are ahead off. I like maniacs strategy post flop here ( i dont have the guts for that tho, wet board)

and with the heart coming on turn im giving up the hand.


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