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PecPokerNL98
Joined: 04.07.2016

is this a call or a fold i dont know it

i have 88 sb raise 2.5bb
bb raise to 6bb
i raise again 18bb
bb all in
i call
bb has jj
and i lose the hand

sorry that i dont have the real hand because i mess up with my copy paste link so i hope someone as a good answere
mayby the all in call to loose of a call i dont know it was against a loose player


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

That 4bet is completely unnecessary, villain offered you fantastic odds to call his 3bet. You should consider 4bet with this hand only when you are facing big 3bet from aggressive opponent.


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TurokRider
Joined: 21.10.2011

Agreed, don't 4bet just setmine.
If the flop is all low (<9), I might go broke there thou


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Yep just call pre.


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PecPokerNL98
Joined: 04.07.2016

but iff i call and the board is 2 5 7 rainbow we both have a over pair what iff i bet he raise what must i do then give up on a over pair


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PecPokerNL98
Joined: 04.07.2016

this the same like of a hand but now my opponent is very aggrasief what big hands and soft with trash

Run It Once Poker Hand #38422853: Hold'em No Limit (€0.02/€0.04) - 2019/12/20 13:24 UTC [2019/12/20 14:24 CET]
Table ID '38421929' 6-Max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Elton O (€4.79 in chips)
Seat 2: Bryce U (€4.33 in chips)
Seat 4: Kelsey Q (€3.17 in chips)
Seat 5: Sergio L (€4.42 in chips)
Seat 6: Backspin98 (€10.38 in chips)
Elton O: posts small blind €0.02
Bryce U: posts big blind €0.04
HOLE CARDS
Dealt to Backspin98 [8s 8d]
Kelsey Q: raises €0.08 to €0.12
Sergio L: folds
Backspin98: raises €0.24 to €0.36
Elton O: folds
Bryce U: folds
Kelsey Q: raises €0.56 to €0.92
Backspin98: folds
SHOWDOWN
Kelsey Q: mucks hand
Uncalled bet (€0.56) returned to Kelsey Q
Kelsey Q collected €0.78 from pot
SUMMARY
Total pot €0.78 | Rake €0.00
Seat 5: Sergio L folded before Flop
Seat 1: Elton O (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Bryce U (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Backspin98 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Kelsey Q mucked hand and won €0.78


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Just flat pre no need to 3bet this hand if your going to 3bet a hand like 88 pre it's from the sb .All other positions you can flat unless you have a good reason to 3bet


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PecPokerNL98
Joined: 04.07.2016

why is flatting a good option here ill think iff i got a set ill get more money in and mayby to let fold At KQ kinda hands


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An utg range is already a strong range and your narrowing that range to an even stronger range you don't do very well against.You want to take a flop ip and keep villains range as wide as possible.And keeping in hands like AT KQ is ok for when we flop sets and they flop strong top pairs and we also get value from cbets when they miss.We don't want to bloat pots with a hand like 88 that don't play that great in 3bet pots with a lower spr. Your turning your hand in to a bluff pre and 88 isn't a good candidate hand to turn in to a bluff when it plays very well with a call and a higher spr


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PecPokerNL98
Joined: 04.07.2016

:f_thumbsup: good advise thank you i should work on it


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Take a look at poker snowies ranges just click on start free web app.You don't have to use these exact ranges but they give you an idea of what your ranges should look like
https://www.pokersnowie.com/preflop-advisor.html


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PecPokerNL98
Joined: 04.07.2016

thanx i will look into it. i am also the grinders menual from peter clarke


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

Originally posted by Fvendal
Just flat pre no need to 3bet this hand if your going to 3bet a hand like 88 pre it's from the sb .All other positions you can flat unless you have a good reason to 3bet.

Come on, dont be nit
88 is okish 3bet vs SB, we can also call but 3bet should be higher frequency play. Against 4bet fold is obviously bad, its very often flat, but we can also shove against 4bet happy opponent.


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PecPokerNL98
Joined: 04.07.2016

its not the part being a nit its the part whats best in this sisuation


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

@up - youy dont see how much equity you are giving away just by flatting. 88 is making money by denying his A7o , T9o and so on to see flop, and in case when SB calls 88 is still decent hand to play with position and initiative.


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PecPokerNL98
Joined: 04.07.2016

look now ita a discusion player 1 says flat and player 2 says raise with this ill think raise in position and flat out of position kinda fifty fifty


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The hand history has changed

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu

Originally posted by Fvendal
Just flat pre no need to 3bet this hand if your going to 3bet a hand like 88 pre it's from the sb .All other positions you can flat unless you have a good reason to 3bet.

Come on, dont be nit
88 is okish 3bet vs SB, we can also call but 3bet should be higher frequency play. Against 4bet fold is obviously bad, its very often flat, but we can also shove against 4bet happy opponent.

It's co vs utg the original hand history was posted.


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