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kfcsekirata
Joined: 01.11.2013

Both of the players are weak with over 50 VPIP. Do you think the hand is well played?

No Limit Hold'em $0,05/$0,10
iPoker
6 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com: Poker HUD for Mac and Windows

Stacks:
UTG - Hero ($11,18)
MP - MP ($9,83)
CO - CO ($11,11)
BTN - BTN ($2,40)
SB - SB ($10,23)
BB - BB ($1,66)

Preflop: ($0,15, 6 players) Hero is UTG with T♥ T♠
Hero raises to $0,30, MP calls $0,30, CO calls $0,30, 1 fold, SB calls $0,25, BB calls $0,20

Flop: T♦ A♠ 7♠ ($1,50, 5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0,10, Hero raises to $0,90, MP calls $0,90, CO calls $0,90, SB calls $0,90, BB raises to $1,36 (all-in), Hero calls $0,46, MP calls $0,46, CO calls $0,46, SB calls $0,46

Turn: 8♥ ($8,30, 5 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero bets $4,20, MP calls $4,20, 2 folds

River: 9♣ ($16,70, 3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, MP checks


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Neoken
Joined: 23.03.2008

I'd take the opportunity of BB's all in to do another raise on the flop, maybe just ship it all, because otherwise MP, CO and SB are all bound to call as well. And I really would not want to go to the turn with 4 other players on this board. As played I would just ship it on the turn. J9 is the only likely hand that would beat you, but there's still many other hands that could call you here.


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Dandiiik
Joined: 19.07.2009

Pretty wild action there. :f_cool: I agree with Neoken, I would also further raise on the flop. They are likely to have some draws and you dont want to give them good price. So 4bet/ship flop. You dont wanna go 5 way on a drawy board to the next street with your basically nuts, but vulnerable nuts.

As played I wouldnt mind shipping turn. There is still plenty of value and danger and fish is not gonna fold Ax ever. Or at least bet bigger like $6,5-7.

By not raising flop you made it pretty difficult for yourself on the turn since you dont have a good leverage to ship it. Could have raised to like $3 on the flop and turn would be easy all in.


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mafioso03
Joined: 16.08.2010

I agree with comments above. I would Also re-raise flop and go all in, you have value here.
As played, on the Turn i would bet 2/3 of the pot. On the river, bad card, i would play check/fold.


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KestutisV
Joined: 12.04.2020

All in after BB 3bet allin :) Hero has nuts after flop, so 100% value allin, because the bord is really wet :))) :f_drink:


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I'm not a fan of a minraise UTG
One of the purposes of an open raise is to reduce the number of opponents.

As soon as MP calls, everyone else has good odds to enter the pot.

OTF, the BB all-in gives you another opportunity -- re-raise over his all-in.
You can get called by a ton of two pair hands and even AK etc


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DarkTunnel
Joined: 14.08.2013

Hero cannot re-raise on the flop as BB's all-in is an underraise.

Raise bigger ~15-17bb on the flop, you are going for value here, againts 4 players,you will certainly find a customer.

Basically you raise half pot here 5-way with the nuts.

There are two problems with this:

1. you dont build the pot, which you certainly want to do with the nuts on a draw heavy board againts 5 opponents.

2. Once one of your oppenent calls,others can call with any gutshot which have nuts outs, because of the huge implied odds.

If you raise two 1.70$ on the flop and get one call, you can easily get it in on three streets. If you get 2+ calls you can shove the turn for value.

Shove the turn!!! You have 1 SPR effective. With this half pot bet you give their draws the odds to play correctly. You would pay them off on a spaid river if itcomes (you would need to call 4 to 24 if a spaid hits on the river)

I like this half pot bet if the turn is a 7/A/T, because then you can give his draws the odds, as they are drawing dead.

Shove the river for the remaning 4$,most likely any two pair calls, as those are pot commited. If he has a straight you would pay him off anyway if he moves all-in.


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kfcsekirata
Joined: 01.11.2013

Originally posted by DarkTunnel
Hero cannot re-raise on the flop as BB's all-in is an underraise.

Raise bigger ~15-17bb on the flop, you are going for value here, againts 4 players,you will certainly find a customer.

Basically you raise half pot here 5-way with the nuts.

There are two problems with this:

1. you dont build the pot, which you certainly want to do with the nuts on a draw heavy board againts 5 opponents.

2. Once one of your oppenent calls,others can call with any gutshot which have nuts outs, because of the huge implied odds.

If you raise two 1.70$ on the flop and get one call, you can easily get it in on three streets. If you get 2+ calls you can shove the turn for value.

Shove the turn!!! You have 1 SPR effective. With this half pot bet you give their draws the odds to play correctly. You would pay them off on a spaid river if itcomes (you would need to call 4 to 24 if a spaid hits on the river)

I like this half pot bet if the turn is a 7/A/T, because then you can give his draws the odds, as they are drawing dead.

Shove the river for the remaning 4$,most likely any two pair calls, as those are pot commited. If he has a straight you would pay him off anyway if he moves all-in.

Yeah, thank you very much for the deep answer. That's the reason why i upload winning hands, to learn how to play them better.
I remembered that I could not shove the flop after the reraise but i didn't know why. And i knew i have to make big raise on the flop but didn't know how much. Now everything is more clear for me


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DarkTunnel
Joined: 14.08.2013

If someone moves all-in and it is under the minimal amount which would qualify as a normal raise (in this case 1.70$), then it does not reopen the pot, and everyone who has already acted on that street, can only make passive moves (call, or fold). It mainly comes up on MTTs, but sometimes you can use this to your advantage in cash games as well.


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