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stinkvinger
Joined: 19.08.2012

Hello all,

I've been playing cash games for quite a while now and I'm still suffering from pretty awful leaks. I found out that I'm playing very, very bad from the BB position. My BB/100 winrate on this position is -70.32 over a sample of 41k hands. This is for mostly NL10 and NL25 and also NL5. I think one of the reasons is that I'm trying to defend too often which puts me in tough (losing) positions.

The stats that are outside of leaktracker's winning interval are fold blind to steal (63.65%, slightly too low) ,3b when facing steal (16.60%, too high) and pfr (10.85%, too high). What do you guys consider the strongest leak out of these three stats?

Do you guys have any material that you would advise me to study so I can work on this? What do you focus on when playing from this position?
Is a winrate of -40 BB/100 on this position a reasonable target?

Also, I've planned on grinding William Hill or Betfair to collect some strategypoints. Which of these pokerrooms would you advise and why?

Cheers


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From what i can see a good loss rates is -20bb/100 from the sb and -40bb/100 from the bb but remember it takes a very large amount of hands to know your true positional win rate 300k+ hands so just work hard to improve don't get obsessed with these numbers. If you never played a hand from the SB or BB your win rates would be -50bb/100 from the SB and -100bb/100 from the BB.

And i would advise Willaim Hill at the moment for strategy points as they are on PVI rakeback system.Because i know at Betfair you can get 35% flat contributed rakeback else where which pokerstrategy isn't offering at the moment.But i believe they have requested it so i would keep that option open to see what happens in the near future with pokerstrategies Betfair deal.If pokerstrategy hasn't updated that deal in the next 6 months or so you can always shop around for the best rakeback deal on Betfair which is among the best deals around lately.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by RedsYNWA
From what i can see a good loss rates is -20bb/100 from the sb and -40bb/100 from the bb but remember it takes a very large amount of hands to know your true positional win rate 300k+ hands so just work hard to improve don't get obsessed with these numbers. If you never played a hand from the SB or BB your win rates would be -50bb/100 from the SB and -100bb/100 from the BB.

Exactly this.
You say you are losing 70BB/100 from BB. This means that you are winning 30BB/100 above what you expect to lose. Are you doing this well at any other position?
At NL 10 and up, stealing the blinds is a big part of the game, and defending you blinds is critical to success.

This is a list of videos on blind defense
I'm guessing there is a lot of material in there you could apply to your situation.

Peace,
VS


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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

Originally posted by stinkvinger
. My BB/100 winrate on this position is -70.32 over a sample of 41k hands.

is it 41k in the BB or overall? to get an accucate number, you would need 100k hands played in the BB. so you have a sample issue in any case.

Originally posted by stinkvinger
fold blind to steal (63.65%, slightly too low) ,3b when facing steal (16.60%, too high) and pfr (10.85%, too high).

those number are on the looser side, but only by a small margin.

3b vs steal is dependant on the steal % though. when the that number is low in the first place, you wont get away w 17% resteal.


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stinkvinger
Joined: 19.08.2012

Thanks for the feedback. I'll take a look around at William Hill then!


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stinkvinger
Joined: 19.08.2012

Thanks. Will look into these videos after scavenging some strategypoints


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stinkvinger
Joined: 19.08.2012

Yes it's indeed in 41k overall. I've lost all of my previous batches of data but then again that's a while ago so that wouldn't be very representative...

I'll make sure to revise my stats after a new batch of hands


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

BB Defense is about calling down when you should, and bluffing well, and folding when you are behind. All these 3 contributes to your winrate.

Probably focus on having a better checkraising strategy and learn how to punish weakness from your opponent with overbets vs flop checks


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