PLO25 AK84ds nasty flop spot in 5way pot

might not be that big of an impact but i think i donk turn instead of check/call. imo hand is wp

Hero is IP, can't donk turn.

I think you can never fold the turn, even with any Q or 10, as he might also have any kind of combodraw.
Therefore I would make life easy and ship it after he 3bets flop.

@kyyberi: my mistake
@najtreg: i thought about the same and came to the idea to fold on paired turns: we have the two highest suits so BB sits on top2+ OTF most of the times. why you want to draw for flush/straight on paired turn?

I would rather not draw on paired turn boards, therefore I would like to realize my flop equity (which is high enough I guess to stackoff) versus his entire range (including sets, top two and wraps).

I might have misunderstood this concept but I thought the idea behind calling and folding on turned boards instead of pushing the flop all in is that we dont push that much equity when GII OTF (flipping at best means EV0 at best) so instead we call and save money on paired turns.

on the other side my initially thoughts about this was the same like yours, he should not checkshove pure wraps not even donk it 5way. well if he does we are good to get it in and dont want to fold to a weak draw on a paired turn. but 5way OTF i dont assume he donks half pot with weak draws, except those with 2pair+

general rule of thumb i remember here (might be i understood it wrong):
if we see turns where we can fold, we just call flop
if there is no turn we would fold we can just GII on flop

Originally posted by efkay
general rule of thumb i remember here (might be i understood it wrong):
if we see turns where we can fold, we just call flop
if there is no turn we would fold we can just GII on flop

I think is a correct general rule of thumb.
In this case, I think we cannot fold turn ever based on stack and potsizes, so I close my eyes, shove flop and hope for the best ♦

Also a disclaimer inbetween, I am not a proffesional, so I can obv be wrong ♦

Btw, I missed that it was 5way flop, improving his flop range strength drastically... but still....

My plan was to fold on Q and T and stack off all other turns. Also was going to write about me blocking both high flushes which could make those weaker draws unlikely. Also didnt expect to see that much T4xx or Q4xx combos necessarily. Well unknown villain but even if having like KQJ4 should BB be that eager to get it in being this deep? QTxx with support I understand as it makes me having sets unlikely.

Though I suppose you could argue that me having TT or QQ is unlikely after just calling flop. Would be fine at least with support and to let BB have chance for 3bet. But yeah in reality I would have probably 3bet lot of top sets at least.

I would prefer a fold preflop with that hand. You see where it leads on the flop (luckily BB doesn't ship OTF). You get a lot of tricky spots multiway especially if your opponents know how to use the shortstack that puts you in a bad relative position postflop. Ok, it's the micros. So, probably they won't do it (intentionally) but it still happens. You don't want to have much of a callingrange here pre - especially given the high rake environment