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checkdex
Joined: 17.10.2013

When i lose i study more and when istudy more i am more humble and patience


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UPAY4DINNER
Joined: 28.09.2009

Imagine openly telling everyone you've created 2 accounts and broken the rules.

Well played.

Originally posted by VimRaj300
Hi
I've been playing n poker stars for 3 months . I play live poker alot. Just came to online to try some and found these online poker to find out specially pokerstars are only cheaters. At first when you go in they will be giving you all sort of winning , withdrawal everything is fine . After you reach a certain threshold you can't even win a single penny from their table. With your best of the best hands you will lose. With all the best pot odds you will lose. So o found this suspicious and created a second account to check whether it have some kind of bot or what . To my suprise iam winning my trash cards n my new account each and every time man ! Someone else out there like losing all time .. Same again after withdrawal what happened to my first account started happening here too .. Man they need to be inviting players and make new players to win and deposit because they shouldn't leave the game . This is their trick . And when we think to quit suddenly we will win like a big all in with trash cards again lol .. fucking cheaters !! Avoid !!


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by VimRaj300
Hi
I've been playing n poker stars for 3 months . I play live poker alot. Just came to online to try some and found these online poker to find out specially pokerstars are only cheaters. At first when you go in they will be giving you all sort of winning , withdrawal everything is fine . After you reach a certain threshold you can't even win a single penny from their table. With your best of the best hands you will lose. With all the best pot odds you will lose. So o found this suspicious and created a second account to check whether it have some kind of bot or what . To my suprise iam winning my trash cards n my new account each and every time man ! Someone else out there like losing all time .. Same again after withdrawal what happened to my first account started happening here too .. Man they need to be inviting players and make new players to win and deposit because they shouldn't leave the game . This is their trick . And when we think to quit suddenly we will win like a big all in with trash cards again lol .. fucking cheaters !! Avoid !!

Hi VimRaj300,
Welcome to PokerStrategy.com! :welcome:
What isn't welcome is discussion of cheating -- including multi-accounting. Please read our forum principles

Please note that as Kyyberi has said, creating two accounts is forbidden by all poker rooms.

Over a small sample -- less than 100,000 hands -- your data is meaningless.
If you have two accounts, your funds will be forfeited if you ever try to withdraw.

Best Regards,
VS


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akibe
Joined: 10.02.2008

It's a troll bro's.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by akibe
It's a troll bro's.

Probably, but what's a mod to do? Just remove the post?
This way, any member who didn't know that multi-accounting is forbidden now knows.

Cheers
VS


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

There is a slight chance that it isn't a Troll. Innocent until proven quilty guys.


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So yes, it is a scam. Millions of times. Let me show you.

Well, I am in the middle of the second hour of a tournament, playing well, being about 35th of 70 players, middle game. I have 3 Jacks and what do you think happens? This:
My bet and 0,3% chance for the biggest stack to win the hand. What happens next?

And at the end... and I am... speechless for half an hour now...


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kenthmp
Joined: 19.04.2009

:sfishg: This thread is gold. :sfishy:


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

If you have 3 Jacks in hand in Holdem, I think the dealer made a mistake.

Randomness is a funny thing. If you study it long enough, you will understand it. But us mortals can't accept it.

Imagine in the world, any given day there are thousand situations where someone gets it in with 0,10% equity. So there is one lucky winner and one with a real bad beat story made every day! Yeah, it sucks it was your turn.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hi beavisbg,
As a basic member, you cannot post links or images, but usually a mod will convert them for you.
Unfortunately the links are just the page titles.
If you edit your post and put in the actual image links (ends in .jpg or .png and starts with http:// or https://) then I can fix them so the images show.

In addition to what Kyyberi says, if you are in the situation you describe 1000 times, and faced with a player with a 1/10th of 1% chance of winning, you'll win 999 times and lose once. Easy money.

You old a set of Jacks (or trips) and get outdraw. But everyone has such stories on a forum like this.
Just to make you feel better, here are some actual hard-luck stories from live poker published in "Super System" by Doyle Brunson

So obv live poker is way worse!


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Hi, VorpalF2F, thank you for your answer. I tried to put a link to the images, but I was told, that I cannot. If there's another option, I will try it.

As on the topic - yes, I know, that things like that happen a lot, but as far as I have played, I noticed, that the player with the higher stack gets a lot of luck after the flop, especially if he is all in and have 2 others to defeat. Just sayin'....


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Then why do I run so bad versus shorter stacks?


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Haha, maybe you need to reconfigure your play :f_biggrin: Just to point - AA and KK are not the strongest hands in the world and the flop can change everything ;)


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stinkvinger
Joined: 19.08.2012

I've also come to the conclusion that I just get beat by fish. I've paid extra attention the last two weeks to this phenomenon and unfortunately it really is a thing. Let's say the last two weeks I am stuck at 0EV which is 80% due to losing obvious shoves against fishes (losing on later streets or on losing to ridiculous -EV hands) and 20% due to calls that should have been folded. If I would improve on the latter then it still is just a drop in the ocean.

Splitsuit said in a video that people should just skip NL2/NL5 since a lot of the times the poker there doesn't make any sense. I have played NL25 for quite a while in the past and that went better than how it goes right now at NL5/NL10 even though my poker game has definitely improved. I feel that fish are turning the micro stakes into a gambling game and that doesn't seem to work out for me. Maybe this is something that you're having issues with as well


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Ah, the good old "I can't beat my opponents cos they are so bad". Somehow for many it makes sense in poker, but in any other form of competition it sounds silly.

And in poker it sounds silly.


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stinkvinger
Joined: 19.08.2012

It actually does sound a bit silly. Perhaps playing another tens thousands of hands more and the wins will balance out the coin flip losses. However promising myself that it will be better later on feels just as silly :tongue:


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marcvz
Joined: 03.04.2012

Originally posted by stinkvinger
It actually does sound a bit silly. Perhaps playing another tens thousands of hands more and the wins will balance out the coin flip losses. However promising myself that it will be better later on feels just as silly :tongue:

Or you can use the cashout feature instead


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by beavisbg
Hi, VorpalF2F, thank you for your answer. I tried to put a link to the images, but I was told, that I cannot. If there's another option, I will try it.

Hi beavisbg,
I don't know who told you you cannot link to images, but they are only partly correct.
:diamond:  Find an image that you want to include in a post.
:diamond:  Right click it and choose "Copy Image Location" or "Copy Image Address"
:diamond:  Paste that address in your post
:diamond:  Remove the " https://" from the address.

If a friendly mod sees it, they will fix it.

Permanent solution: Take advantage of one of a free money offer or bonus offer and you'll be bronze level for life

Originally posted by beavisbg
As on the topic - yes, I know, that things like that happen a lot, but as far as I have played, I noticed, that the player with the higher stack gets a lot of luck after the flop, especially if he is all in and have 2 others to defeat. Just sayin'....

It sure seems that way, doesn't it?
There is a perfectly good reason that it seems this way.
The big stack can play a much wider range than the short stacks.
Furthermore, once the flop comes, you only see their hole cards if the hand goes to showdown, which it will only if the big stack hits
So, since you only see the hands where they get lucky, it appears that they do more often.
If the hit even a part of the flop, they can use their stack to get other players to fold -- you never see their hand, but it appears that they "got lucky"

Originally posted by Kyyberi
Then why do I run so bad versus shorter stacks?

Once they get short enough, desperation equity kicks in :coolface:


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dangermowse
Joined: 24.10.2010

What I can tell you is

1) computers cannot randomise. In order to fake this, it has to patternise it's ass off.

2) The ONLY shills that will try to convince you otherwise are lifelong sunrunners.


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Badbeatdan
Joined: 14.09.2021

I can't win a hand on poker stars. Played 500 hands today Kk walked into quad aces, lost to ak and Q10os . Bottom set lost to j8 os that turned a boat. Flopped the nut straight lost to a runner runner flush, all in cash games. Sit and go top pair with a gut shot lost to bottom pair which turned 2 pair. Incredible


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