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KK - 2 vs 3 streets of value?

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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

Villain: 25/25 (13 hands)

Pre: Standard 3bet.

Flop: I bet 1/3 pot because the board is relatively dry and my hand isn't extremely vulnerable. Also, I want value from JJ-TT, T9 e.g.

Turn: Since villain called OTF there are a lot of 1pair hands in their range. I want to get value from those, so I bet a bit bigger.

River: Against a fish I would probably value bet again, and maybe it is also the correct play against an unknown/reg. I am really not sure. I would guess it is best to place a thin value bet ~25bb and fold to a raise?
Obviously I am concerned with villain having trips or a boat. But top pair hands make the larger part of their range, I assume? WDYT?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 112.5 BB
SB: 123 BB
BB: 430.5 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 106.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ K♠

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 9♥ 7♣ Q♠
CO checks, Hero bets 6.5 BB, CO calls 6.5 BB

Turn: (32.5 BB, 2 players) 9♣
CO checks, Hero bets 19 BB, CO calls 19 BB

River: (70.5 BB, 2 players) 2♠
CO checks, Hero checks


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SamoB25
Joined: 02.10.2009

I'd play it like you did πŸ‘


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Incog
Joined: 18.08.2006

I would Flop bet slightly bigger and blockbet (20BB) River and (yes) fold to raise.


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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

Originally posted by Incog
I would Flop bet slightly bigger and blockbet (20BB) River and (yes) fold to raise.

Isn't block bet for when you are OOP?


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marcvz
Joined: 03.04.2012

Bet bigger on flop.
And bet, bet, bet and try to get all the money in on the river.
KQ and AQ will probably call you down.
Your hand is not vunarable at all.
Villain doesn't have a lot of 9x.
Maybe A9s, 89/T9s, but those are unlikely with 2 nines on the board and should fold on the flop.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Bet three street on this runout with aim to get allin on river. At least in mtt/sng recreational players often don't play very nutty hands (9x+) in this way. Often they go for small x-r on turn or donk bet river as they are scared of check back.

PS: Folding 9x in villain shoes to small cbet would be pretty bad idea. If they do that they should never call preflop in first place.


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marcvz
Joined: 03.04.2012

Originally posted by ghaleon
PS: Folding 9x in villain shoes to small cbet would be pretty bad idea. If they do that they should never call preflop in first place.

Agree with this sizing. But when you bet bigger, in a 3bet pot, I think you should fold 9x without serious draw possibilities


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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

If I was villain, I am not sure if I would go broke here with anything worse than TPTK. And even with AQ I would tend not to, depending on the opponent.

Do you think villain's range OTR is worse than: QQ, 99, 77, AQ, KQ, A9s, JTs, T9s, 98s?
Would villain call twice with TPWK or even 2nd pair?

Against {QQ, 99, 77, AQ, KQ, A9s, JTs, T9s, 98s} I have only 56% equity and if you take out KQ it's only 48%.
Really not sure if I should bet. Against a fish I agree with bet, bet, bet.


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marcvz
Joined: 03.04.2012

Originally posted by monteCarlol
If I was villain, I am not sure if I would go broke here with anything worse than TPTK. And even with AQ I would tend not to, depending on the opponent.

Do you think villain's range OTR is worse than: QQ, 99, 77, AQ, KQ, A9s, JTs, T9s, 98s?
Would villain call twice with TPWK or even 2nd pair?

Against {QQ, 99, 77, AQ, KQ, A9s, JTs, T9s, 98s} I have only 56% equity and if you take out KQ it's only 48%.
Really not sure if I should bet. Against a fish I agree with bet, bet, bet.

It depends if you think villain will call your flop bet with 9x.
That's also why I would make a bigger flop bet.

But I still think you can bet like 25% on the river for value and fold to a reraise.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

standard bet bet jam, villain has tons of Qx (QJ, QT) and you have a ton of missed draws as well


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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

Originally posted by Tomaloc
standard bet bet jam, villain has tons of Qx (QJ, QT) and you have a ton of missed draws as well

Villain played 25% of hands so far and raised all of them, even though it is a small sample. But at least that is an indicator that villain is not an average passive fish.
I don't think I can give them a lot of Qx hands. AQ and KQo at the most.
Also, "a ton of missed draws" is an overstatement. JTs and a negligible backdoor FD, that's it.

Most importantly, even if villain doesn't fold QJ, QT on the turn, I assume that they are unlikely to call if I jammed the river.


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