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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

32 / 23 is way too losse for those stakes due to rake and rake only. AA have an EV of 3bb / hand, KK have roughly 1,5 bb and the numbers are decreasing very fast. so the EV of most borderline hands is 0,0x bb. those numbers usually are calculated for 200 NL online. when you now look at microstakes, the rake is 2,5x. for the borderline hands this means that they all are -EV.

@ positional WRs: you would need 100k minimum /position to be able to draw first conclusions. to have exact numbers you would need more. so basically you will never have a good enough sample, as your game is changing and the pool is, too.

looking at it superficially i agree w ghaleon: your VP / PFR and your redline do not fit together very well. probably you lack some aggression in the right spots.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Swish29
vengeance77: Yes, I also don't understand. It's showing how bad the regs are at my games if they let me get away with being so loose. As a consequence, because I think they are bad, I play looser, and because I still win I keep on doing it. It most likely won't last long.

If you're playing at the same table for a while, switch from being tight to being loose, then back again.
I like to start out with tight -- if you play tight and show down good hands, then when you switch to loose, you can steal more easily.

When they play back at you, tighten up again.

Alternatively, once you've established a playing pattern for the opponents, you can play tight against the loose ones, and loose against the tight ones.
It's best to have the tight players on your left, and the loose ones on the right. Maniacs can sit anywhere the like.


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Swish29
Joined: 06.04.2009

Originally posted by Pokamon
32 / 23 is way too losse for those stakes due to rake and rake only. AA have an EV of 3bb / hand, KK have roughly 1,5 bb and the numbers are decreasing very fast. so the EV of most borderline hands is 0,0x bb. those numbers usually are calculated for 200 NL online. when you now look at microstakes, the rake is 2,5x. for the borderline hands this means that they all are -EV.

I don't question the veracity of these numbers, but are there other assumptions than "for 200NL online"? Is this GTO, meaning that at GTO AA has an EV of 3bb/hand? Because I have an EV of 11.4bb/hand with AA. We can already see why it's more complicated than "32/23 is way too loose" a) my opponents don't play GTO and I have a huge edge against the field compared to a GTO vs GTO strat (no edge) and b) I might be making more money with AA because I play 32/23, it would make sense that people give me much less credit in general than a random 18/14 nit, and thus that I print more with my strong hands. Again, I cannot simply discard the part of my range that supposedly loses money and expect to have a net increase in my winrate.

Originally posted by Pokamon
looking at it superficially i agree w ghaleon: your VP / PFR and your redline do not fit together very well. probably you lack some aggression in the right spots.

The problem is that I cannot be aggressive with such wide ranges


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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

do you have 100k hands of AA only in your DB ?


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Swish29
Joined: 06.04.2009

You know the answer :)

You didn't answer this questions "I don't question the veracity of these numbers, but are there other assumptions than "for 200NL online"? Is this GTO, meaning that at GTO AA has an EV of 3bb/hand?" :)


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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

most if not all GTO ranges are built for 200 NL and the corresponding rake. so yes, the numbers are from GTO charts. it also coinsides w my experience.

you argue, that your edge is bigger, that playing loose will increase the EV of your value part of your range.

while this is both true, i heavily doubt, that you will overcome the 2,5x rake and show better results overall.


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Swish29
Joined: 06.04.2009

I decided to go back to Zoom because it's more convenient, and also people cannot data mine, I'm worried that the russians buy HHs etc.

Summary of the last few days:

PokerStars - $0.16 Ante $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 153.06 BB
SB: 396.31 BB
BB: 110.31 BB
Hero (UTG): 103.56 BB
MP: 59.44 BB
CO: 50.06 BB

6 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.25 BB) Hero has K♣ K♠

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 28 BB, BTN calls 19 BB

Flop: (58.25 BB, 2 players) J♦ 2♠ 8♣
Hero bets 16.5 BB, BTN raises to 124.94 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 58.94 BB and is all-in

Turn: (209.13 BB, 2 players) J♣

River: (209.13 BB, 2 players) 8♥
Players agreed to run it twice.

Turn #2: (209.13 BB, 2 players) A♣

River #2: (209.13 BB, 2 players) 6♦

Hero shows K♣ K♠ (Two Pair, Kings and Jacks)
Board #1 (Pre 68%, Flop 80%, Turn 5%)
(One Pair, Kings)
Board #2 (Pre 69%, Flop 83%, Turn 5%)

BTN shows A♥ J♥ (Full House, Jacks full of Eights)
Board #1 (Pre 32%, Flop 20%, Turn 95%)
(Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
Board #2 (Pre 31%, Flop 17%, Turn 95%)

BTN wins 99.88 BB
Rake paid 9.38 BB
BTN wins 99.88 BB

PokerStars - $0.16 Ante $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 88.5 BB
SB: 118.06 BB
BB: 308.06 BB
Hero (UTG): 104.38 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 143 BB

6 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.25 BB) Hero has A♣ K♥

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, MP raises to 7.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 21.5 BB, MP calls 14 BB

Flop: (45.25 BB, 2 players) 7♦ A♥ J♠
Hero bets 14.25 BB, MP calls 14.25 BB

Turn: (73.75 BB, 2 players) 9♠
Hero bets 21.5 BB, MP raises to 64.13 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 42.63 BB

River: (202 BB, 2 players) Q♠
Players agreed to run it twice.

River #2: (202 BB, 2 players) 6♣

Hero shows A♣ K♥ (One Pair, Aces)
Board #1 (Pre 69%, Flop 14%, Turn 7%)
(One Pair, Aces)
Board #2 (Pre 69%, Flop 13%, Turn 7%)

MP shows J♦ A♦ (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
Board #1 (Pre 31%, Flop 86%, Turn 93%)
(Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
Board #2 (Pre 31%, Flop 87%, Turn 93%)

MP wins 96.5 BB
Rake paid 9.06 BB
MP wins 96.44 BB

PokerStars - $0.16 Ante $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 102.44 BB
SB: 268.13 BB
BB: 116.88 BB
UTG: 94.13 BB
Hero (MP): 248.63 BB
CO: 338.88 BB

6 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.25 BB) Hero has Q♦ Q♠

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, CO raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 26.25 BB, CO raises to 57 BB, Hero calls 30.75 BB

Flop: (116.25 BB, 2 players) 3♠ 8♥ 4♣
Hero checks, CO bets 36.63 BB, Hero calls 36.63 BB

Turn: (189.5 BB, 2 players) A♣
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (189.5 BB, 2 players) 4♠
Hero checks, CO checks

Hero shows Q♦ Q♠ (Two Pair, Queens and Fours)
(Pre 72%, Flop 86%, Turn 5%)
CO shows 9♣ A♥ (Two Pair, Aces and Fours)
(Pre 28%, Flop 14%, Turn 95%)
CO wins 181 BB
Rake paid 8.5 BB

:middle_finger:

It baffles me how regs who are absolute trash made it this far, like, did they really beat NL2, NL5 and NL10 by playing in such a retarded way? It's quite an enigma to me.

Oh yeah and what a nice hand, again against a regular that is an idiot:

PokerStars - $0.16 Ante $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 61.44 BB
SB: 78.63 BB
BB: 422.63 BB
UTG: 285 BB
MP: 132.25 BB
Hero (CO): 222.44 BB

6 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.25 BB) Hero has 3♥ 3♦

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 11.5 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

Flop: (24.25 BB, 2 players) 3♣ J♥ J♣
BB checks, Hero bets 29 BB, BB calls 29 BB

Turn: (82.25 BB, 2 players) K♣
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (82.25 BB, 2 players) Q♦
BB bets 17 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

BB shows K♠ K♦ (Full House, Kings full of Jacks)
(Pre 81%, Flop 17%, Turn 98%)
Hero mucks 3♥ 3♦ (Full House, Threes full of Jacks)
(Pre 19%, Flop 83%, Turn 2%)
BB wins 111 BB
Rake paid 5.25 BB

I guess I called because I was tilted to have been sucked out after making him check/call an overbet with 17% equity, what a shame. I also thought he might be dumb enough to do that with AA, but maybe that was wishful thinking.


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Swish29
Joined: 06.04.2009

Hi everyone,

I would like to apologize to everyone who read my blog recently. I was very destructive, bitter and full of arrogance. I would like to thank Surrrr, Tomaloc, GuilhermeGalvao, ghaleon and Pokamon who posted things to help me this month, despite this blog oozing toxicity.

I decided that how I run is irrelevant, and that I should focus on what I can control. My game is flawed, I am far from perfect and never will be. Blaming variance/how regs run good vs. me is counter productive, if it's false, I better get good, and if it's true it's still irrelevant, it makes me sour and focus on negative part of the games that I cannot influence and that will never change.

As a human, I am bound to never play perfectly, all I can do is attempt to suck less as hard as I can, play a lot, ignore what is irrelevant and see how that goes.


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Swish29
Joined: 06.04.2009

Surprise, surprise, I am moving down , here's the lifetime NL16 graph:

I lost 40BI at NSD, my WWSF is 42.1%, win at SD is 56%, so I am not fighting enough for pots, I don't call down light enough. Interestingly, at NL10 I had a WWSF of 41.86% but ran at 9.5bb/100 in EV. It's prob a mix of running good at NL10/bad at NL16, regs exploiting me more at NL16 that makes me lose at NL16.

For some reason I started to 3bet less, one reason is that I started to cold call very strong hands like AA in order to play pots vs bad players, maybe also because the pool folds less to 3bets. I think I specifically don't 3bet enough from the BB (5.08% this month), so I should work on this first, this is also the position where my WWSF is the lowest.

It's daunting how much I have to do / how many leaks I have:

- I should defend my BB by 3betting more instead of calling a lot
- I should fold less to cbets flop/turn/river in single raised pots and 3bet pots
- I should reduce the gap between VPIP/PFR

This is a recurring theme in this blog, at NL10 I played 32/23 and at NL16 I was 29/20, so I even increased the gap (proportionally) between VPIP and PFR. Maybe I should 3bet or fold from all positions except BB for a while in order to simplify my decisions. This will likely increase redline/wwsf. This is not ideal because in a perfect world I would have a mixed strategy, 3bet some hands 100%, call/3bet some other hands and 3bet 100% hands that are too weak to be called, or something like that, but doing this for all positions is a lot of work, and there's a lot of rake so it's OK to have this approach. It will be better to have a good strategy well executed than a complicated strategy poorly executed.

Edit: Well I seem to do well on my sample of hands when I cc preflop compared to when I 3bet, and I can't expect to move all my hands from my cc range into my 3betting range and just make more money. When I cold 3bet I made 124bb/100 in EV, and when I cold called a raise I made 71bb/100 in EV. It seems logical that I made more when I 3bet because I 3bet my strong hands more than I called then on average and it's standard to have a higher winrate with stronger hands.

I might play again today, I'll write a monthly update + goals for December later.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Swish29
It's daunting how much I have to do / how many leaks I have:

- I should defend my BB by 3betting more instead of calling a lot
- I should fold less to cbets flop/turn/river in single raised pots and 3bet pots
- I should reduce the gap between VPIP/PFR

Well, now that you know, you can work on those items -- but try not to do too much at once.
You didn't mention stealing -- that is usually a great way to improve the red line, and also to close the VPIP/PFR gap

You are gold status, so you'll be able to read this article:
https://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/bb-pre-flop-ranges/
The idea isn't to follow the ranges, but to see how they're constructed and why.
I also recommend the "Gameplan" series https://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/game-plan-introduction/

And of course the autoprofit article is useful also... https://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/exploits-auto-profit/


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Swish29
Joined: 06.04.2009

Just had a ridiculous session at NL10:

Obviously everything went my way, but I'm also happy about how I played. I am also happy that this session happened the same day as this session, which was at NL16:

I don't think I was on tilt, I just ran bad and I was thinking that I was getting outplayed / was doing wrong things and so far the small adjustments I made seem to have paid off, basically I played tighter and 3bet more, and try to be more focused when I play post flop, fight for pots etc.

Just 2 weeks ago I would have completely lost it but I managed to stay calm, move down, and play well the same day. I didn't even whine about that previous session at NL16 today, which is unusual I think had some sort of epiphany poker-wise, together with other things that happened to me in my life, and the result is that I am much calmer.

The graph of the month, the swings look brutal when you breakeven

My tracker says I lost 74$ in tournaments, so it's a +5$ month.

The results are not good, but I am very happy with the progress I made mental-game wise, so I am optimistic about the future. I also think I will stop tournaments for now, it takes my focus away from CG when I play, it adds variance, and an inconsistent schedule. Moreover, it's not like I'm a good CG player to begin with, so I better focus on fixing the huge leaks I have and move up instead of getting distracted by MTTs.


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Swish29
Joined: 06.04.2009

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by Swish29
It's daunting how much I have to do / how many leaks I have:

- I should defend my BB by 3betting more instead of calling a lot
- I should fold less to cbets flop/turn/river in single raised pots and 3bet pots
- I should reduce the gap between VPIP/PFR

Well, now that you know, you can work on those items -- but try not to do too much at once.
You didn't mention stealing -- that is usually a great way to improve the red line, and also to close the VPIP/PFR gap

You are gold status, so you'll be able to read this article:
https://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/bb-pre-flop-ranges/
The idea isn't to follow the ranges, but to see how they're constructed and why.
I also recommend the "Gameplan" series https://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/game-plan-introduction/

And of course the autoprofit article is useful also... https://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/exploits-auto-profit//blockquote >

I already open wider CO/BT/SB than what is recommended pretty much everywhere so that's why I didn't mention stealing. Actually I might even open too much, thus raise/folding too much or raise/calling then folding postflop too much (because I have a weak range).

I will check the rest, it seems that there could be some useful things, though the BB vs EP open is outdated imo, and interestingly the BB vs BT is wider than I thought it would be, I wonder if it takes into account the rake.

About the goals of November I had:

-Do useful poker related stuff for 100h (so mostly play / study)
-Study sub-goals:
a) Fix MP vs EP play (won money in EV this month, but only because of 1 large pot (that I lost )) I play 11.82/0.64 vs EP open, seems horrible :)
b) Lose less in redline by folding more my BB, folding more to 3bets, doing more small bluff raises on every street, folding less to cbets (should be easier if I fold more preflop),
c) Get 1 month of Essential membership on RIO and study as many videos as possible
d) Review the "LahtiPelican" video, I still consider this studying because it's forcing me to think about the game
e) Carefully read the posts of Tomaloc

-Main goal:
I played 53h of CG, some MTTs while not playing CGs (like 1-tabling and doing something else), so let's say 55h, much less than I wanted. I went on too many useless dates/wasted too much time in general/was not in a good mindset to play for the most part.
-Study-sub goals:
a) Did not fix MP vs EP
b) Lost more in redline than ever
c) Got the membership, I watched a bunch of videos, will continue to watch videos about what I need to study
d) Done, he was happy
e) I didn't read the HHs forum that much this month :(

Goals for December:

a) Do poker stuff (play or study) for 100h, +/- 25h. Basically 75h if I am busy/have meaningful other things to do and 125h otherwise.
b) Track non-playing time properly
c) Read this post before every session
d) Say nothing rude in chat
e) Meditate every day
f) Stay at NL10 until I have all of my "To do" items in Done/Cancelled in my poker Kanban board* (basically a bunch of stuff/possible leaks I want to look at, and I should give it all a serious look. I may still be folding too much vs river cbets for instance, but that would be after I have proved to myself that it's an exploit vs the field, otherwise I should do aim to be GTO-ish). Even if I have the bankroll, I should stay at NL10 if there are still crucial items not done
g) No MTT, only CG Zoom
h) Continue with the videos on RIO
i) Every Monday, check the situation with my goals and see what needs adjustments

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanban_board


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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
https://www.pokerstrategy.com/ strategy/

honestly i would rather not check any of this. get a solver instead.


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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

@Swish29 I saw that you also studied W34z3l's Preflop Powerup videos. They are missing the 3bet defense ranges from UTG when IP. What have you got there?
Here is what I extrapolated:

vs 6bb IP:
4bet: JJ+, AKs, AQo+,
call 3bet: TT-55, ATs+, KJs+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s

vs 9bb IP:
4bet: QQ+, AKo
call 3bet: JJ-77, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, T9s

vs 12bb IP:
4bet: KK+, AKo
call 3bet: QQ-99, AQs+


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Swish29
Joined: 06.04.2009

Yo,

I still did not work on EP-CO raise/continue ranges, I think for now I'll focus on BB defense vs opens, and 3bet/fold ranges from every position except BB vs open from a reg.

I think vs 6bb I fold 0% to 3bet if I'm IP with my EP range, the higher the 3bet, the more I would fold more and more offsuit Ax and offsuit broadways. Vs 9+bb, I would 4bet more stuff like AQo/AJo/KQo, of course not all combos and not all the time (you have 0 4bet bluff vs 9 and 12bb 3bet)


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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

Originally posted by Swish29
Yo,

I still did not work on EP-CO raise/continue ranges, I think for now I'll focus on BB defense vs opens, and 3bet/fold ranges from every position except BB vs open from a reg.

I think vs 6bb I fold 0% to 3bet if I'm IP with my EP range, the higher the 3bet, the more I would fold more and more offsuit Ax and offsuit broadways. Vs 9+bb, I would 4bet more stuff like AQo/AJo/KQo, of course not all combos and not all the time (you have 0 4bet bluff vs 9 and 12bb 3bet)

W34z3l propagates depolarized 3bet/4bet (extended value) ranges as an exploitative strategy against the player pool tendencies. Mainly because they call too lightly.


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LahtiPelican
Joined: 27.04.2013

d) Review the "LahtiPelican" video, I still consider this studying because it's forcing me to think about the game

d) Done, he was happy

Happiness confirmed! I played almost 40k hand on NL5 since your session review with 8.43bb/100.

I hope you get your game together for NL16 soon, because I don't want to meet you at NL10 :f_drink:


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Swish29
Joined: 06.04.2009

Originally posted by Swish29
Goals for December:

a) Do poker stuff (play or study) for 100h, +/- 25h. Basically 75h if I am busy/have meaningful other things to do and 125h otherwise.
b) Track non-playing time properly
c) Read this post before every session
d) Say nothing rude in chat
e) Meditate every day
f) Stay at NL10 until I have all of my "To do" items in Done/Cancelled in my poker Kanban board* (basically a bunch of stuff/possible leaks I want to look at, and I should give it all a serious look. I may still be folding too much vs river cbets for instance, but that would be after I have proved to myself that it's an exploit vs the field, otherwise I should do aim to be GTO-ish). Even if I have the bankroll, I should stay at NL10 if there are still crucial items not done
g) No MTT, only CG Zoom
h) Continue with the videos on RIO
i) Every Monday, check the situation with my goals and see what needs adjustments

a) 8h (7h10 of playing + 50 mins of studying) - for 6 days of playing but I am 100% fine with that, I think I had good reasons to not play :heart:
b) OK
c) Never did it
d) OK
e) OK
f) OK
g) OK
h) Should do more - I have only 8 days left of my membership
i) OK (well, Sunday after I'm done with poker is fine too)

Not sure how to remember how to read the post, maybe I'll just bookmark with something that says "READ THIS" to think about it more.

I got angry at myself once this month;

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.01 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 100.6 BB
BB: 150.8 BB
UTG: 287.2 BB
MP: 320.7 BB
Hero (CO): 247 BB

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has 8♦ 7♦

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (6.1 BB, 2 players) 8♣ 4♦ 9♣
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (6.1 BB, 2 players) A♦
BB checks, Hero bets 4.4 BB, BB raises to 14 BB, Hero calls 9.6 BB

River: (34.1 BB, 2 players) 6♦
BB bets 24.5 BB, Hero raises to 65.3 BB, BB raises to 134.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 68.9 BB

BB shows 2♦ K♦ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 56%, Flop 15%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows 8♦ 7♦ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 44%, Flop 85%, Turn 77%)
BB wins 288.9 BB
Rake paid 13.6 BB

Flop I thought I don't want to cbet 100% so I checked back (but vs this guy I probably could cbet 100%), turn I felt compelled to bet because "it's good for my range" (but I guess this bet was not mandatory), obviously villain should check to me quite a lot and x/r polarized on a card that is good for my range, river I thought I could value sets/2p, and I thought I should raise/fold. I tilt-called river and now I think the raise is a mistake (which bluffs do I have? Maybe some Axd but that's about it), it's very tough for villain to call 99 here and I think it's a mistake vs the pool, but in-game I thought that calling was too nitty, and that cost me a buy-in.

I was not sure how much to bet river here;

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.01 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 258.4 BB
SB: 96.6 BB
Hero (BB): 348.2 BB
UTG: 288.5 BB
MP: 102.7 BB
CO: 129.6 BB

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has J♣ 7♣

fold, MP raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (8.6 BB, 3 players) J♦ 2♣ 6♣
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: (8.6 BB, 3 players) 8♠
Hero bets 6.2 BB, fold, BTN calls 6.2 BB

River: (21 BB, 2 players) 9♣
Hero bets 7.5 BB, BTN calls 7.5 BB

Hero shows J♣ 7♣ (Flush, Jack High)
(Pre 37%, Flop 88%, Turn 89%)
BTN mucks Q♦ 9♦ (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 63%, Flop 12%, Turn 11%)
Hero wins 34.4 BB
Rake paid 1.6 BB

Preflop is standard, the reg that opens does not cbet a lot so I expect to realize a lot of my equity, caller is 45/0 over 12 hands. Flop I could bet, but letting the 45/0 do random stabs when I have a hand that does not need protection is fine imo, turn I have to bet for value, I believe I can go quite large (8x/gutshots/straight draws will "always" call a 75% bet), and river I did not know if I should try to value against hands like 8x or QT/75/98 type of hands. In the end I went for a small bet to try to milk vilain's weak pairs, while hoping that he would feel compelled to raise his straights river vs such a small sizing.


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Incog
Joined: 18.08.2006

Originally posted by Swish29

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.01 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 100.6 BB
BB: 150.8 BB
UTG: 287.2 BB
MP: 320.7 BB
Hero (CO): 247 BB

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has 8♦ 7♦

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (6.1 BB, 2 players) 8♣ 4♦ 9♣
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (6.1 BB, 2 players) A♦
BB checks, Hero bets 4.4 BB, BB raises to 14 BB, Hero calls 9.6 BB

River: (34.1 BB, 2 players) 6♦
BB bets 24.5 BB, Hero raises to 65.3 BB, BB raises to 134.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 68.9 BB

BB shows 2♦ K♦ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 56%, Flop 15%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows 8♦ 7♦ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 44%, Flop 85%, Turn 77%)
BB wins 288.9 BB
Rake paid 13.6 BB

Flop I thought I don't want to cbet 100% so I checked back (but vs this guy I probably could cbet 100%), turn I felt compelled to bet because "it's good for my range" (but I guess this bet was not mandatory), obviously villain should check to me quite a lot and x/r polarized on a card that is good for my range, river I thought I could value sets/2p, and I thought I should raise/fold. I tilt-called river and now I think the raise is a mistake (which bluffs do I have? Maybe some Axd but that's about it), it's very tough for villain to call 99 here and I think it's a mistake vs the pool, but in-game I thought that calling was too nitty, and that cost me a buy-in.

I was not sure how much to bet river here;

First of all, nice Blog u have here. Your commitment looks strong and I wish u the best. Keep up the good work. :f_thumbsup:
Second ... I am just a fish in a pond, so keep that in mind :-P

Some Questions:

Do we really keep the betsizes preflop the same, if we play with antes (3x standard ... 2,5x in LP)?
OTF: You are IP and I think ur cbet-rate should be almost 95% here, no?
OTR: I see myself only calling here. U are deep and your Raise looks strong, but with his shove it is an easy laydown, no?


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