NL100 6Max, fold turn?

With only a bluff catcher and in mind you most likely need to stack off most rivers if you call I would fold as well on the turnon the big Cbet of villain.

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SDK1987

Stop posting awful spots please ♦

I still I think peel turn and evaluate what he does on certain rivers. We are a bit too high up our range to already fold turn imo.

What do you do with AQ? And how about flush draws?

We unblock all FDs/A4s/A5s/54s/56s, so I'm calling again. He only has 6 clear value combos, though AQ could be played that way too. 23% of flop XR is quite a lot. He could XR stuff like 98hh/KJhh/JThh etc. that have 2 backdoors as well

I think that I call on the turn, you haven't ♠, he can cr with fd, K:s J and barrel turn with oesd + blocker, A:s 4-5, and 2x

Value 22-33 32s, Q2s, Q3s, some AQ, but he can cr also some Qx worse than yours.

You have a bluff catcher, without info if the field can bluff bluff I defend, you has your top range here, only overpair AQ and set are better than KQ.

Originally posted by pisiattu
Value 22-33 32s, Q2s, Q3s, some AQ

21/17 is on the tight side, I don't think we can put Q3s/Q2s/32s in villain's range vs 2.5x open from MP in a game without antes.

If he is CRing flop a lot then he could have QT/TT also.

AQ, Q2cc, Q3hh, T2ss, 22, 33, TT, QT vs A2ss, A5ss, A4ss, 54ss, ATss, KJss, AJss, flush draws, straight draws.

I think we can call turn and play river, sure. It's a reasonable assumption, yes.

I looked him up in PT4.

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
AQ, Q2cc, Q3hh, T2ss, 22, 33, TT, QT vs A2ss, A5ss, A4ss, 54ss, ATss, KJss, AJss, flush draws, straight draws.

How is a 21/17 having Q2s/T2s/Q3s in this spot? Is it really a standard play BB vs 2.5x from MP, in a game without antes and 5% of rake?

Originally posted by Swish29

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
AQ, Q2cc, Q3hh, T2ss, 22, 33, TT, QT vs A2ss, A5ss, A4ss, 54ss, ATss, KJss, AJss, flush draws, straight draws.

How is a 21/17 having Q2s/T2s/Q3s in this spot? Is it really a standard play BB vs 2.5x from MP, in a game without antes and 5% of rake?

Well, I flat any two suited on BB, if it's 1.5BB more but it's usually 1.25BB more so I assume he does the same. My stats are tighter than his too. Tighter over all. I might be one of the tightest players in these games.

Edit: added more info

Oh wow ok, I guess I missed something. I don't even do that and I play in games with antes and 4.5% rake, I find that super loose. Do you have a large sample? Did you ever check on PT4 with a filter what your winrate is in the BB with suited trash when EP-CO opens for <=2.25x?

I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just very surprised and it's totally possible that I am learning something new here

Originally posted by Swish29
Oh wow ok, I guess I missed something. I don't even do that and I play in games with antes and 4.5% rake, I find that super loose. Do you have a large sample? Did you ever check on PT4 with a filter what your winrate is in the BB with suited trash when EP-CO opens for <=2.25x?

I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just very surprised and it's totally possible that I am learning something new here

I don't know how to do all that stuff but I do glance over the "Leak Tracker". Here is my BB stats but every stats meaning everything I have is within green, not just the BB stats, everything. Small sample size though of 37k hands. I do HH review and analysis and take notes sometimes.

Edit: typo

You can go to "More Filters...":
a) "Action and Opportunities - Preflop" > "PF Calls" > "Called 2bet".
b) "Hand Details" > "Position of Active Player" > Exactly 8
c) "Hand Details" > "Position of Lead Aggressor" > Between 0 and 2
d) "Hand Values" > "Hole Cards Range Selection" > Select suited trash
e) "Action and Opportunities - Preflop" > "PF Action Encountered with Sizes" > 2bet Size between 2 and 2.3x

That's my graph:

The filters:

I did not expect that, and it's a sign that I don't defend enough, so thanks a lot

When you face at NL100 a 2.25x open, you have to pay 1.25x for a pot of 3bb, and when I face a 2.5x with 10% antes I need to pay 1.5x for a pot of 4.1bb, meaning I even have better pot odds, so I should definitely look into that defending more suited stuff, maybe not 72s vs EP, but I can probably be looser than I am now

Originally posted by Swish29
You can go to "More Filters...":
a) "Action and Opportunities - Preflop" > "PF Calls" > "Called 2bet".
b) "Hand Details" > "Position of Active Player" > Exactly 8
c) "Hand Details" > "Position of Lead Aggressor" > Between 0 and 2
d) "Hand Values" > "Hole Cards Range Selection" > Select suited trash
e) "Action and Opportunities - Preflop" > "PF Action Encountered with Sizes" > 2bet Size between 2 and 2.3x

That's my graph:

The filters:

I did not expect that, and it's a sign that I don't defend enough, so thanks a lot

When you face at NL100 a 2.25x open, you have to pay 1.25x for a pot of 3bb, and when I face a 2.5x with 10% antes I need to pay 1.5x for a pot of 4.1bb, meaning I even have better pot odds, so I should definitely look into that defending more suited stuff, maybe not 72s vs EP, but I can probably be looser than I am now

Holy chit that looks complex!! I'll try it later. This would take time. Thanks. lol:f_rolleyes:

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
If he is CRing flop a lot then he could have QT/TT also.

AQ, Q2cc, Q3hh, T2ss, 22, 33, TT, QT vs A2ss, A5ss, A4ss, 54ss, ATss, KJss, AJss, flush draws, straight draws.

I think we can call turn and play river, sure. It's a reasonable assumption, yes.

I looked him up in PT4.

Spoiler

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 120.5 BB
SB: 111.96 BB
BB: 143.02 BB
UTG: 85.04 BB
MP: 198.5 BB
Hero (CO): 238.88 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♠ Q♦

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 6♣ 8♥ 9♦
BB checks, Hero bets 3.46 BB, BB raises to 13.28 BB, Hero calls 9.82 BB

Turn: (33.06 BB, 2 players) J♠
BB bets 34.5 BB, Hero raises to 222.6 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 98.06 BB

This is the biggest pot I ever played against him in 50NL + 100NL.

I remember this hand. He snap folded on turn.

TT not, QT only 1-2 combos, he needs top pair also in calling range.

However spoiler's hand isn't relevant, you hadn't bluff there