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Ugly Turn And River Vs A Great Reg

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jesusflorestz
Joined: 30.03.2021

Villain is my own brother, who is one of the best regulars at this limit.

We discuss a lot of strategy everyday.

He thinks my game is agro in general and has seen me bluffing many times.

He is mostly TAG but he can make bluffs and hero calls when he feels ahead, or big laydowns when he feels behind.

On the flop I wanted to build the pot and protect my hand against any nasty turns.

In the turn my strategy was to bet/fold against a raise here, but I still wanted to protect my hand against any K♠: or Q♠: that would still be calling.

Now, maybe I chickened out a little bit on the turn and I did a bet of 1/2 instead of 3/4, to let some room to fold if he raised.

But now I see betting 3/4 as a much better option, because it gives me more information.

And now that I think about it, instead of raising me on the turn with a flush. Maybe he would have just called and let me do the final bet on the river, since he had position.

Then on the river it was an ugly spot again.

I mean, he could have AA, KK, JJ for a full house in this spot and any flush beat me.

I was ahead of AT, AJ, AQ, AK and KJ though, so I thought it was very close between shoving for value or check/calling river.

I don't know, this hand was tough.

How would you have played this?


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mkBISCUIT
Joined: 19.01.2018

Preflop- think it is a fine defend.

Flop- flop check raise IMO is a little small. Like 2.2x I would prefer a bigger raise with 2 spades being in the board more around .80- .95. Reason for this is you are still OOP in this hand and if a spade comes its a tricky spot. So you want to play this hand fast and try to get all the money in on flop.

Turn- i like the bet, I think 1/2 pot would work better if you made flop raise bigger, with only a 1/2 pot bet on turn it is hard to get all the money in on the river as you will be betting 2x and you really want to have a pot size bet left to jam.

River- when the second 6 comes and a FLush on board and being OOP check call I think is the way to go.

I am curious what the solver says… I will look it up this evening when I get home..
And try to post results.

Keep grinding


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

i'd never check/call the river, villain has no natural bluffs in his range (he has to have and bluff hands like QJ one spade, maybe even Ax) and will not valuebet worse (a holding like what he had is probably going to check behind). when you check the solver output in a spot like this, always remember to take a look at villain's ranges for each action and see if people in your pool are capable of playing like that (e.g. not many regs turn pairs into bluffs on the river)

you can bet very small, jam yourself or check/fold. i like the jam, we also have a spade which cuts some number of flush combos :f_biggrin: it's not a happy spot, though.

from villain's perspective, you have a range disadvantage (you don't have any sets or AK), but you can have straights, and when the flush lands on the turn, you probably don't have enough natural bluffs either. one of his main hopes is that you have worse two-pair, but KJ also gets counterfeit on the river, so he shouldn't feel too bad about finding a fold on the river. he has flushes and full houses to defend with.


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mkBISCUIT
Joined: 19.01.2018

Well I don’t know how to post pictures from my iPhone, but river is a check call about 50-50 to a just over half size pot bet…. I will post all streets when I get on my computer for y’all.

πŸ‘


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mkBISCUIT
Joined: 19.01.2018

Mind you this is all GTO.. so again it is NL5.

flop

turn


river check'

river call against 55% bet pot


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jesusflorestz
Joined: 30.03.2021

So basically check/call turn and river correct?


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

i think there's a mistake on the turn, you told BB to check and CO to bet (should be the other way around), which will skew the ranges a lot.

in any case, it wouldn't surprise me if you should check/call the river with this combo at a high frequency against an optimal villain, but that does assume villain is playing optimally and, thus, has enough bluffs on the river. nl50 and below population tendencies strongly suggest to me that you should not do it


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jesusflorestz
Joined: 30.03.2021

Thanks Tomaloc, I didnΒ΄t like him checking behind worse hands either. Also he had a tendency to hero call me.


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mkBISCUIT
Joined: 19.01.2018

You are correct messed it up.. . Will re do my bad. And agreed with the optimal play.


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SamoB25
Joined: 02.10.2009

Whenever you play someone you know
(probably with a brother even more so), online it always gets slightly loosey-goosey πŸ™‚πŸ˜ƒ on our micro limits at least! πŸ˜ƒ


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jesusflorestz
Joined: 30.03.2021

Yes, I agree haha.


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

I don't think I would shove that river, bet call or check call. But I've played against friends online and we've all watched each other play so we will try and bluff each other more so than anyone else.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

It's always tricky to play against a family member I think. Hopefully you don't life in the same place. You don't want to risk a ban for collusion for you and your brother. Based on this hand that wasn't the case.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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