What do you think about this fold pre?

Originally posted by Casey55
I did not notice these players getting out of line as of yet, I decided to fold pre. is anyone 5-bet/shoving/calling here?

Anyone?
I'm sure some would, but lately I've been learning not to.

Hi, I would always shove here AKs.

unless BB is really tight, i would shove.

I would not shove, but i wouldn't fold as well. With being in position if you really think BB is not getting out of line you have a blocker to AA's and to KK's and so you are basically ranging him at QQ+ AK.

I would flat the 4 bet hoping SB is coming along with you, MID PP of KQ+ JJ. Cause if he had AA KK he is shoving even maybe AK so he is pretty weak IMO, it comes down to cards that SB has that BLOCK your hand, clubs and A,K.

I would be lead to believe that with the ranges above BB being on a tighter range as the 4 better, and going into pot multi way, you are probably have ~28-30% equity. which a call is fine.

Then I think flop I am calling and dealing with it, IF he has AA so be it the worst card came for you so you couldnt get away from hand, If he has KK he has a 1 outer. If there isnt 2 clubs or an A on the FLop i would c/f.. The only really tricky spot is if a K shows up with all under cards and he leads..

KEEP GRINDING!!!

In NL2, I would fold.

Assuming BB is reasonable, his bet size seems suspicious. This would be the main reason for me.

Hero is BU, so has slightly wide range. SB is not a full stack and min-3bet. AQ+, 22+ in most cases. If I'm BB with a strong hand (TT+, AJs+, AQo+, I would 4bet 2.5x, and BU would fold, SB would either call or 5bet. As BB, I would 4bet big(4x, 5x) with KK and AA.

However, some good regulars would 4bet 4x with AT+ and 77+. I would quit the table in NL2.

Tough to fold AKs pre-flop against 2 unknowns on NL2. I would most likely call in position. Only problem could be if the SB would re-open the action with a 4bet or shove.

Cheers,
SDK1987.

Originally posted by SDK1987
Tough to fold AKs pre-flop against 2 unknowns on NL2. I would most likely call in position. Only problem could be if the SB would re-open the action with a 4bet or shove.

Cheers,
SDK1987.

yes. jaaaaaaaammm TT will fold you flip vs QQ and tie vs AK ♦

Originally posted by taavi1337
yes. jaaaaaaaammm TT will fold you flip vs QQ and tie vs AK ♦

Yup, and a horrible dog vs KK and AA -- so this is player-dependent I think.

What was the outcome? 😃

BB had QQ
SB had A2o

Originally posted by Casey55
BB had QQ
SB had A2o

NL2

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by taavi1337
yes. jaaaaaaaammm TT will fold you flip vs QQ and tie vs AK ♦

Yup, and a horrible dog vs KK and AA -- so this is player-dependent I think.

i think even nit on NL2 would 4bet JJ and AK there... and i havent found really any player playing like 8/8 vpip pfr on NL2 6max.

i think even nit on NL2 would 4bet JJ and AK there... and i havent found really any player playing like 8/8 vpip pfr on NL2 6max.

True, that's why I wouldn't ever fold AK there

Originally posted by mjez1

i think even nit on NL2 would 4bet JJ and AK there... and i havent found really any player playing like 8/8 vpip pfr on NL2 6max.

True, that's why I wouldn't ever fold AK there

vs unknown people sitting at NL2 table, honestly, i can't give them too much credit and I wouldn't be surprised if BB had KTs or something...

I think shoving is better than calling with the extra dead money in the pot and you don't really want to entice a mw pot i don't like folding.

I would 5bet shove with AKs in such a spot. You are likely to go heads up and will have a flip vs JJ/QQ and an underdog vs AA and KK and chop with other AK combos. Reason why I don't like calling, you are unlikely to get any value from QQ/JJ on A or K high flops and it will be very hard for you to continue with your hand if you miss the flop and face a sizeable cbet. Either way it's breakeven play long run anyways, regardless if you call or shove, but folding here is a mistake, unless you have a clear read BB 4bets with only KK+