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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

Hi,
They tried to move the poker out of the hazard category remember! It didn't work! Read the definition of hazard game!
It will be very interesting how mr. competence repeating the words of many others will react if he's running as me close to 1 000 BIns under EV in approx 8 mil hands! They are so much skills in poker, to let only top 5% of the players to be winning! Think about it! 5%! In order to win in whatever you do you need to be at top 49%! If you add the rake let's put it to top 44%!
They are so much skills required, that only 5% winning from poker instead of top 44% hm. Tell me how those best players in the world playing so ridiculously bad in TV gambling and spewing by disgusting ways are top! How much skills they have? Are they really the best p[layers or the most lucky ones? Easy to answer if you have basic understanding of poker and put there awful fishy gambling plays in some resolver to see how garbage are the best players in the world!
I just accept it I am not ment to succeed, because I am not in the most luckiest 5% of the players!
This is why I am playing some micro stakes with approx 23k poker roll! Whenever I tried to go to NL50 even to NLl25 countless times the sky fall! And now cannot even build to pass NL10 with pretty strong knowledge of the game a lot batter than many pros!
And don't tell me I don't work on my game, because this is so wrong and without any cover! I studied poker a lot more than for my 2 high school diplomes and I definitely have the knowledge of top 5% of the players ! Not to mention how strong in math and statistic and planification I am deff in top 1% of the poker world! And I have 2400 chess elo as well!

I posted in other place how I have for hundreds of thousands of hands 0 major leaks and all hands analysed by poker snowie and Leak buster and how every statistic is in perfect range and how they are 0 major or very important leaks and loosing poker banks in the same time! So don't tell me I am not working on my game, because you don't know me !

But I achieved everything in life, so it is Ok!


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greatpk
Joined: 04.05.2016

Post that graph where you are 1000 buy ins below EV in 8mil hands.
What you are saying is total non sense. Poker is not about luck, its all about the skill. Luck Will determine your results short term, not long term.


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

I don't have all the info now, but everything is posted from 2010 in my blog in the BG community! But I have in here graph with a month with approx 68BIns under EV in approx 18k hands and I didn't spew a singe BI!
The facts are so obv, that you have to be blind or very dumb to not see it! I theory in everything when they are not fees if you are in top 49% you will win, in poker let's tell the rake is 5%, so you should be winning in long term if you are in top 44%, but only 5% of the poker players are winning and they are not the best 5% for sure!
Easy math even for 7 years old!
The poker is gambling and as such the result is defined 1st by luck in every term by any definition!
Tell me what long term means! Long term can be many lifetimes theoretically! So they are some players who are ridiculously lucky and running as poker gods there whole lives and a lot more countless who are running bad or ridiculously bad there whole lives!
This is the truth!
You don't need skills, but basic understanding of the rulls and LUCK in order to win from gambling what the poker is by any definition!


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greatpk
Joined: 04.05.2016

Originally posted by vengeance77
I don't have all the info now, but everything is posted from 2010 in my blog in the BG community! But I have in here graph with a month more than 50 BIns under EV if you want go find it!

So you are not 1000 buy ins under EV, otherwise, how would you know you are if you don't have such a graph showing it?
Also according to your theory I am top 5% best poker players in the world cause I am a winning player over a course of 3 years.
You need a reality check, simple as that. You are not as good as you think you are, that's why you are loosing. you blame it on luck, therefore you don't see a reason to study your game cause you think you are playing flawlessly


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

Check again my post! I have everything, in countless graphs over 11 years! It is in my other blog in the BG community with the same name! And I have some brutal staffs like in here as well like 68BI under EV in 18k hands!
This is the automatic mental justifying brain response blinded! I am winning, because I am so good, but in the same time countless better players than you are loosing! Look those donkies on the TV /the best players in the world fighting for millions! Every good player will see that most of them they are playing awfully bad and loosing! They are not the best they are the luckiest players in the world!
They are in the same denile as you, that they are winning because they are super good and crushing the others, but in reality they are there, because they are the most luckiest not the best!


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

I really want someone to prove me wrong, but it is simply impossible if you read real slow and think about what I mentioned in my few posts above!


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greatpk
Joined: 04.05.2016

Originally posted by vengeance77
I really want someone to prove me wrong, but it is simply impossible if you read real slow and think about what I mentioned in my few posts above!

There are like at least 1000+ articles proving you wrong how skill outclasses luck in poker in the long run, maybe go look them up?
So if you are saying that poker is all about the luck, then why invest any money in it? Like ROI in cash games are nothing compared to like slots for example, or sports betting or any other gambling options. Why not be smart about your money and try to be ''lucky'' where you can get higher profits when you get lucky?
I checked your other posts on this forum as well, funniest ones were at GGpoker official thread where you were complaining about everything that room had to offer and was always proven wrong haha. Seems like the whole universe is against you, and you are the only logical thinking person on planet earth, could that be the case? Cause I haven't seen you agreeing with someone when it comes down to poker.
Anyways, this discussion is completely pointless, you refuse to see the truth, therefore I've got nothing else to say, but, that you are one hell of a delusional person. I truly hope life is going better for you than poker is! If you are as stubborn about other topics as well, god I wish best of luck to anyone who will have to prove you wrong!


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

I see you are only trolling without any proof, because you cannot proof me wrong, so I can pretty well see where your brain reach too! You are most probably either to young or not really intelligent! I was in 2 national teams and have 2400 chess elo, and I am speaking 5 languages and I know really what effort is needed to achieve this with skills only, I doubt people like you can ever understand!

You probably don't even have high school or any real life achievements and/or live experience to understand! Do you even have your own family kids? I really doubt so! So you simply ask yourself about those staffs and be quite, because you are repeating what someone told without even understanding it!

What did you actually achieve in live or wait poker mr big winner! Are you professional poker player? Enlighten us how much you printed from cash games? Most pros went lucky to hit MTT to became pros! So many skills needed! If someone tell me you can win MTT without luck just GET LOST!~

You are repeating staffs you red in some places without even understanding it! Short or long run terms are not exact! It means it can go infinite in either way! You can running like poker god your whole life and loosing as hell no matter how good you are!

Simple fact only 5% of the players are winning significantly of poker and they are not the best 5%!


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

All big winners pls go crush NL 5/NL10 fast/fold in GG poker in 100 000k hands at least now! Please someone from the big winners! And show us! It is so disgusting, that I doubt someone can beat it now with more than 5bb/100 after the rake with huge luck aka running hot!


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greatpk
Joined: 04.05.2016

Originally posted by vengeance77
All big winners pls go crush NL 5/NL10 fast/fold in GG poker in 100 000k hands at least now! Please someone from the big winners! And show us! It is so disgusting, that I doubt someone can beat it now with more than 5bb/100 after the rake with huge luck aka running hot!

Just because you can't crush them, doesn't mean others can't lol. Specifically why GGpoker exclusively? I personally play on Pokerstars.
Not even going to bother to reply to your previous post, too much of a non-sense trying to take this discussions to private matter, as you seem to start to run out of arguments, so you decide to ''hurt my feelings'' with some lame insults :f_biggrin:
There are plenty of people that have crushed or currently are crushing micro stakes, check some other people blogs, do some research your self. You will be surprised how many people are actually winning at these stakes.


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

I shouldn't waste this much time answering the troll like you spamming the same thing told by others, because of luck of intelligence apparently! You actually showed me how little you have up there!

What post/articles? What?

Poker is gambling and as such requires basic understanding of the game and luck in order to win! Nothing more! If you are lucky and good, then you can win more yes! It is so simple!

All those philosophes and poker pros! Go became chess GM or some sport master when it really requires only skills and effort! It is simple like that!

Skills are not enough to win in gambling/poker, you need to be lucky as well, to run good, especially now days when everything is available and people aren't this bad anymore like 10 years ago!

It is not even enough to ne winning! Because of the brutal rake in some networks and GG you should win 7+ bb/100 only to became even!

Most of the best players online run a way from fast/fold format, because they became even and are making some profit if they do so sick volume to cash in the top of the leader boards!


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Joined: 02.09.2010

Hey guys, it is OK to disagree, but please keep the discussion polite and respectable


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

In the same time!

1200 hands! + countess other super sick as well I was capable to fold flop nuts OTR!
Kind of regular run for me for 90%+ of the time! Even the software shows I am running like 80% of the time bad and about 10% worst imagine! Everyone is collecting me with any 2 no matter how ridiculous it is and that's it! Tell me about skills please! EV in the sky green in the toilet long RUN!


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

Hi, monthly update! Actually played 2 weeks only!

GG 2700 hands+daily freebie 293$-258$=+35$ Start BR 50$
N8 13060 hands 207$-192$=+15$ Start BR 210$
888 11600 hands+free rolls 133$-92$= + 41$ Start BR 0$


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

[converted_hand][hand_history]Pacific Poker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $5.18 (103.6 bb)
SB: $4.68 (93.6 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.48 (209.6 bb)
UTG: $4.59 (91.8 bb)
MP: $5.00 (100 bb)
CO: $9.06 (181.2 bb)

SB posts $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has T♣ A♠
2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32, 2 players) 5♠ 4♠ A♦
Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.52, 2 players) T♦
Hero checks, CO bets $0.39, Hero calls $0.39

River: ($1.30, 2 players) 8♣
Hero checks, CO bets $0.95, Hero calls $0.95

Results: $3.20 pot ($0.18 rake)
Final Board: 5♠ 4♠ A♦ T♦ 8♣

CO shows T♠ T♥: (Three of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 69%, Flop 5%, Turn 95%)

Hero shows T♣ A♠: (Two Pair, Aces and Tens)
(Pre 31%, Flop 95%, Turn 5%)

CO wins $3.02
[/hand_history][/converted_hand]

[converted_hand][hand_history]Pacific Poker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $11.53 (230.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $15.66 (313.2 bb)
BB: $5.00 (100 bb)
UTG: $7.74 (154.8 bb)
MP: $5.27 (105.4 bb)
CO: $6.01 (120.2 bb)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 7♦ 7♣
UTG raises to $0.12, fold, CO calls $0.12, fold, Hero calls $0.10, fold

Flop: ($0.41, 3 players) K♦ 2♦ 7♥
Hero bets $0.20, UTG calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20

Turn: ($1.01, 3 players) 6♥
Hero bets $0.75, UTG raises to $2.25, fold, Hero raises to $15.34 and is all-in, UTG calls $5.17 and is all-in

River: ($15.85, 2 players) 4♠

Results: $15.85 pot ($0.93 rake)
Final Board: K♦ 2♦ 7♥ 6♥ 4♠

Hero shows 7♦ 7♣: (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 20%, Flop 9%, Turn 2%)

UTG shows K♣ K♠: (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 80%, Flop 91%, Turn 98%)

UTG wins $14.92
[/hand_history][/converted_hand]

[converted_hand][hand_history]Pacific Poker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $6.54 (130.8 bb)
SB: $0.92 (18.4 bb)
BB: $7.75 (155 bb)
Hero (UTG): $7.02 (140.4 bb)
MP: $5.71 (114.2 bb)
CO: $1.01 (20.2 bb)

SB posts $0.02, BB posts $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A♦ A♥
Hero raises to $0.12, 2 folds, BTN raises to $0.36, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.21, BTN raises to $4.84, Hero raises to $7.02 and is all-in, BTN calls $1.70 and is all-in

Flop: ($13.15, 2 players) 7♥ 8♥ 2♣

Turn: ($13.15, 2 players) K♥

River: ($13.15, 2 players) T♠

Results: $13.15 pot ($0.77 rake)
Final Board: 7♥ 8♥ 2♣ K♥ T♠

BTN shows K♣ K♠: (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 19%, Flop 8%, Turn 77%)

Hero shows A♦ A♥: (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 81%, Flop 92%, Turn 23%)

BTN wins $12.38
[/hand_history][/converted_hand]

[converted_hand][hand_history]Pacific Poker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $1.47 (29.4 bb)
SB: $2.65 (53 bb)
BB: $3.76 (75.2 bb)
UTG: $1.99 (39.8 bb)
MP: $5.94 (118.8 bb)
Hero (CO): $12.20 (244 bb)

SB posts $0.02, BB posts $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K♣ A♥
fold, MP raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, 3 folds, MP raises to $1.12, Hero calls $0.67

Flop: ($2.31, 2 players) A♣ 5♥ Q♦
MP bets $0.85, Hero calls $0.85

Turn: ($4.01, 2 players) 5♣
MP checks, Hero bets $1.00, MP raises to $3.97 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: $6.01 pot ($0.35 rake)
Final Board: A♣ 5♥ Q♦ 5♣

MP wins $5.66
[/hand_history][/converted_hand]

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ddoichev
Joined: 30.08.2010

I guess the facepalm is for the way you played those hands. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
And one suckout which does not require any comments.


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

I guess you can go troll somewhere else Mr Troll!


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

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[converted_hand][hand_history]Pacific Poker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

Hero (BB): $6.33 (126.6 bb)
CO: $4.30 (86 bb)
BTN: $5.46 (109.2 bb)
SB: $2.82 (56.4 bb)

SB posts $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J♠ J♥
fold, BTN raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, Hero raises to $0.73, fold, SB calls $0.58

Flop: ($1.61, 2 players) 4♠ 7♥ 7♦
SB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.61, 2 players) 5♥
SB bets $0.65, Hero raises to $2.60, SB calls $0.94 and is all-in

River: ($5.79, 2 players) 6♣

Results: $5.79 pot ($0.28 rake)
Final Board: 4♠ 7♥ 7♦ 5♥ 6♣

Hero shows J♠ J♥: (Two Pair, Jacks and Sevens)
(Pre 19%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)

SB shows Q♣ Q♦: (Two Pair, Queens and Sevens)
(Pre 81%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)

SB wins $5.51
[/hand_history][/converted_hand]

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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

If someone what to discuss hand or ask he is going to be always welcome, bu to post some some trolls staffs like that thing without any cover or proof why aka trolling not in here, thanks!


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greatpk
Joined: 04.05.2016

Funny how you complain when only one hand (AA) from these posted ones was ahead preflop.


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