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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

Yes 2.4x EP, MP, 2.2x CO, 2xBU, 3x SB. The wider the range+the better position, the lower the open size theoretically. It increases the the EV of the bott of your range and makes some slightly negative hands BE, besides you are loosing less when have to F which is way more often when you get 3B and allows you to defend cheaper and wider vs low 3B. They are too many players who are over sizing or under sizing their 3Bs aka most players 3B sizes are pretty wrong and far from the theoretical ones and are pretty exploitative like this! IF you compare the EV opening of the hands vs ranges you will see slight advantage for 2x vs higher OR from BU:). WE want to see a flop with wider range the cheapest way, that generates FE and play IP, because if the blinds are defending properly we are having range disadvantage OTF! It is related as well to the SPR! SB is 3x, because we are OOP.

Giving you all of this for free imagine!


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

That's slightly different that the one I referred to.
That guy advocates 2BB open for all seats except SB where he suggests opening 3x

The reasoning is the same.

One adjustment suggested is that for BU if the blinds are calling pretty much anything, raise more from the BU and tighten up a bit to take advantage of their tendency to play weak hands.

I don't have the course myself -- I just read some commentary on it.


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

Pacific Poker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $3.50 (70 bb)
SB: $2.10 (42 bb)
BB: $9.21 (184.2 bb)
UTG: $3.17 (63.4 bb)
Hero (MP): $7.78 (155.6 bb)
CO: $5.00 (100 bb) 27/15, 3B 3.4, AF 2.2, FCBF 33, Agg% FTR 38/44/29 WTSD 31, WWSF 54, 79h

SB posts $0.02, BB posts $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A♥: A♣:
fold, Hero raises to $0.12, CO calls $0.12, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.31, 2 players) Q♣: 6♣: 2♦:
Hero bets $0.22, CO calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.75, 2 players) 9♥:
Hero bets $0.53, CO raises to $1.32, Hero calls $0.79

River: ($3.39, 2 players) 5♥:
Hero checks, CO bets $2.23, Hero ?


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

:facepalm:


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greatpk
Joined: 04.05.2016

Pretty easy fold by river, what does he shove with that you beat? As played I don't see him shoving anything weaker than KJ.


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

THis is 4 bet pot! He shouldn't have anything that beats me OTR if he is any good:why:


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greatpk
Joined: 04.05.2016

Originally posted by vengeance77
THis is 4 bet pot! He shouldn't have anything that beats me OTR if he is any good:why:

First of all, I don't think AJs should be a 4bet, this hand is strong enough to play OOP, 4bet bluff's should be more like A5s. And yes he does have hands that beat you, as you can see, you lost to KK. He is not raising you on river with hands like AK KQ or AA, those are just pure call's, so when you get raised, you can safely assume you are beat here.


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

This is MP/CO, oc AJh is a 4B bluff and he was agressive enough to make me play this way! I cannot see how I can play it differently! I can make an easy Fold vs confirmed NIT for sure!


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greatpk
Joined: 04.05.2016

As far as I know, you are 4bet bluffing to get better hands to fold, not worse hands to fold. So in this spot, what better hands do you get to fold? AQo? I think AQs is calling and AKo/AKs for sure! So what's the point of 4betting here in the first place?


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

Yes, even only AQ is enough, but he had 12% 3B, so he can def F and pockets 77-99 at least! + we are OOP and we cannot realize our theoretical EQ OOP, so this is the way to fold a way a lot of equity as well!
Vs agressive players post we can actually never call OOP and def out entire range with 4B!

I didn't know he's such NIT to call pre and didn't even CB or raise OTT. Ez to exploit such reg fish, who's calling KK!


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greatpk
Joined: 04.05.2016

Only AQo is not enough risk/reward ratio for you to 4bet bluff there. Also 77/88s are very unlikely to be 3betting, 99s can be a mix of call/3bet. Meanwhile he will have hands like weaker suited Ax, KQ, 910s/10js/Q10s etc. and you are doing great vs these type of hands even OOP so 4bet here achieves absolutely nothing.


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $14.82 (148.2 bb)
SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $34.92 (349.2 bb)
UTG: $3.69 (36.9 bb)
MP: $5.84 (58.4 bb)
Hero (CO): $10.00 (100 bb)

SB posts $0.05, BB posts $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K♦: K♣:
UTG calls $0.10, MP raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.85, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75, fold, MP calls $0.65

Flop: ($2.70, 3 players) 6♦: J♣: 6♥:
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.85, BB calls $0.85, fold

Turn: ($4.40, 2 players) 3♥:
BB checks, Hero bets $2.09, BB raises to $8.46, Hero calls $6.21 and is all-in

River: ($21.00, 2 players) 5♦:

Results: $21.00 pot ($1.05 rake)
Final Board: 6♦: J♣: 6♥: 3♥: 5♦:

BB shows 9♠: 6♣:: (Three of a Kind, Sixes)
(Pre 16%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)

Hero shows K♦: K♣:: (Two Pair, Kings and Sixes)
(Pre 84%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)

BB wins $19.95


:facepalm:


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

Pacific Poker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $3.72 (74.4 bb)
SB: $5.36 (107.2 bb)
BB: $4.17 (83.4 bb)
UTG: $3.06 (61.2 bb)
MP: $5.11 (102.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $6.06 (121.2 bb)

SB posts $0.02, BB posts $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 9♠: T♠:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.11, BTN calls $0.11, SB raises to $0.43, fold, Hero calls $0.32, fold

Flop: ($1.02, 2 players) T♣: 5♣: 5♦:
SB checks, Hero bets $0.32, SB raises to $0.96, Hero calls $0.64

Turn: ($2.94, 2 players) 2♥:
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.94, 2 players) 7♦:
SB bets $1.02, Hero calls $1.02

Results: $4.98 pot ($0.29 rake)
Final Board: T♣: 5♣: 5♦: 2♥: 7♦:

SB shows 8♥: 7♥:: (Two Pair, Sevens and Fives)
(Pre 36%, Flop 5%, Turn 0%)

Hero shows 9♠: T♠:: (Two Pair, Tens and Fives)
(Pre 64%, Flop 95%, Turn 100%)

Hero wins $4.69


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

Pacific Poker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $5.82 (116.4 bb)
SB: $5.16 (103.2 bb)
Hero (BB): $5.42 (108.4 bb)
UTG: $5.00 (100 bb)
MP: $2.02 (40.4 bb)
CO: $2.63 (52.6 bb)

SB posts $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has T♣: Q♦:
fold, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.17, 3 players) 3♥: T♠: 4♠:
Hero bets $0.08, MP calls $0.08, CO calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.41, 3 players) 8♦:
Hero bets $0.20, fold, CO raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.30

River: ($1.41, 2 players) 8♣:
Hero checks, CO bets $1.28, Hero calls $1.28

Results: $3.97 pot ($0.23 rake)
Final Board: 3♥: T♠: 4♠: 8♦: 8♣:

CO shows 2♣: 2♠:: (Two Pair, Eights and Twos)
(Pre 49%, Flop 16%, Turn 5%)

Hero shows T♣: Q♦:: (Two Pair, Tens and Eights)
(Pre 51%, Flop 84%, Turn 95%)

Hero wins $3.74


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

Pacific Poker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

Hero (BTN): $6.34 (126.8 bb)
SB: $0.71 (14.2 bb)
BB: $1.67 (33.4 bb)
UTG: $6.36 (127.2 bb)
MP: $1.83 (36.6 bb)
CO: $5.43 (108.6 bb)

SB posts $0.02, BB posts $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J♦: A♥:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, fold, BB calls $0.40, fold

Flop: ($1.07, 2 players) K♣: 2♦: 9♥:
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.07, 2 players) J♣:
BB bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

River: ($2.47, 2 players) 5♠:
BB bets $0.52 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.52

Results: $3.51 pot ($0.20 rake)
Final Board: K♣: 2♦: 9♥: J♣: 5♠:

Hero shows J♦: A♥:: (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 47%, Flop 26%, Turn 95%)

BB shows 4♣: 4♦:: (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 53%, Flop 74%, Turn 5%)

Hero wins $3.31


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

normal run! EV in the sky green in the hell!


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greatpk
Joined: 04.05.2016

So you are 8$ under EV? Unless you are playing NL2, that's nothing to really complain about?
Or did you moved down to NL2?


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

September:

GG 3061 hands+daily freebie 311$-293$=+18$ Start BR 50$
N8 8352 hands 232$-207$=+25$ Start BR 210$ with 9BI dowswing!
888 39236 hands+free rolls 138$-133$= + 5$ Start BR 0$ with 21BI downswing!


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

:facepalm:

NOT FCK HUMAN! WTF I from 5 AA/KK vs that PIG REG I lost 2 and split 3!:rage: And never fck won KK/AA myself from at least 4! Even with top set! Never saw him emote or chat! So ridiculous like a room bott oc in the top of the leaderboard!

Just a few hands later vs 25% 3b aggro fish!

:why:


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greatpk
Joined: 04.05.2016

NOT FCK HUMAN! WTF I from 5 AA/KK vs that PIG REG I lost 2 and split 3!:rage: And never fck won KK/AA myself from at least 4! Even with top set! Never saw him emote or chat! So ridiculous like a room bott oc in the top of the leaderboard!

Just a few hands later vs 25% 3b aggro fish!

I'm pretty sure all good regs are too busy on grinding tables, to pay any attention of chatting/emote spamming. I personally think it's a distraction and doubt any good players would get involved in some sort of discussions during play, as most likely they are multi tabling.
When it comes to loosing AA vs KK, well it sucks, but 1/5 times you will loose, and that's just how poker works, nothing you can do about it, just carry on. I also noticed you have moved down the stakes? I wish you best of luck to grind your way back up to Nl10/Nl25. :f_drink:


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