The Shortdeck Diary: Chapter 2 - Becoming a semi pro

Originally posted by SirPaulius
I believe it is more about, that this game is gaining a lot of popularity. In Asia it is already no 2 poker variant. It has all required chances to be bigger than PLO in west also. There are few reasons:
1. It has a lot of gamble
2. There's no big difference from NLHE
3. It has a big rake
4. It's not solved

all 3 partys are happy here,
1. room because of rake,
2. recreational because of equity run so close a lot of all in 55-45%
3. Reg because winrate achievable 20+ a/100
4. Game is not solved

All true!

Livestream starts around 32:00 I would suggest to just watch. They explain the rules a bit and there is a player who plays SD for the first time. But basically it's action action action ♠_cool:

Originally posted by Fredjen
High Stakes Short Deck $50/$100

Stream starts around 32:00

I saw a bit, seems like preflop "limp,limp,limp,raise,call,call,call"
and postflop "check,check,check,bet,fold,fold,fold"
Almost like comparing the cards postflop,don't you think? Unless players have a clear draw to the nuts or a set+ they just don't play.

What is the difference between GG and Stars for short deck?

- Stars 6 max
- GG 5 Max - what is changing here?

Where do you preferer to play?

let me handle this

CONS GG
bigger rake because of BBJ which is uncapped
not clear PVI system
PROS GG
more traffic
can play more tables
5 handed, more hands per table
soft field, cause a lot of fish for shortdeck comes from ASIA

CONS PS
only 4 tables
no traffic at NL200+

PROS PS
enough action at micro stakes
lower rake, arguably better RB, so it is easier to beat micros
6 handed, so more dead antes in pot
Can use tracking software to see more detailed results

In general it is better at GG from NL25, up to NL25 PS is most likely better

Originally posted by SirPaulius
let me handle this

CONS GG
bigger rake because of BBJ which is uncapped
not clear PVI system
PROS GG
more traffic
can play more tables
5 handed, more hands per table
soft field, cause a lot of fish for shortdeck comes from ASIA

CONS PS
only 4 tables
no traffic at NL200+

PROS PS
enough action at micro stakes
lower rake, arguably better RB, so it is easier to beat micros
6 handed, so more dead antes in pot
Can use tracking software to see more detailed results

In general it is better at GG from NL25, up to NL25 PS is most likely better

Thank you for your detailed explanation...

Originally posted by SirPaulius
let me handle this

CONS GG
bigger rake because of BBJ which is uncapped
not clear PVI system
PROS GG
more traffic
can play more tables
5 handed, more hands per table
soft field, cause a lot of fish for shortdeck comes from ASIA

CONS PS
only 4 tables
no traffic at NL200+

PROS PS
enough action at micro stakes
lower rake, arguably better RB, so it is easier to beat micros
6 handed, so more dead antes in pot
Can use tracking software to see more detailed results

In general it is better at GG from NL25, up to NL25 PS is most likely better

Yes this also my goal to build my roll for NL25-NL50 and then move to GG. I secretly hope that by than SD has exploded and I won't have to move... As a Belgian player their is no rake for me at GG. At stars I can get some electronics ♠_cool:

Originally posted by SvenBe

Originally posted by Fredjen
High Stakes Short Deck $50/$100

Stream starts around 32:00

I saw a bit, seems like preflop "limp,limp,limp,raise,call,call,call"
and postflop "check,check,check,bet,fold,fold,fold"
Almost like comparing the cards postflop,don't you think? Unless players have a clear draw to the nuts or a set+ they just don't play.

Wel off course it's an ante game so PF it's way best to limp. UTG/UTG+1 don't even have an opening range in SD. I believe the crusher of the session was up 22BI. You don't get that by only limping ♠_wink:

If you look in to the lobbys, it looks like that Short Deck has already more traffic than PLO? Or do I mistaken it?

In stars you can't see how many players there are in SD. But the popularity of SD is growing. For recs it's way closer to holdem and more action.

We sundays [NL10]

Top winning hand

Top losing hand

Turn is obv fold in limped pot but I was distracted and confused.

Hand to Note does short deck?
I might have to look into that.

I've modified my approach a bit.
In addition to a whole lot o' limpin' I've been shoving my entire stack with things like AA and KK
The trick isn't necessarily to win — although it helps — (see the first hand here: https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=3305199#post3305199)
What happens if I shove 400BB and get 3 or more callers all-in with 100BB each pre-flop. There is now like 800BB in the middle, and I have 45% equity and I just cash out — So I get my 300BB uncalled bet back, and 45% of the 400BB pot and I'm happy.

I don't know if that is sound strategy, but it did well for me tonight.

H2N does short deck

My open open shoving range consists only of AK like 30% of the time and is stronly dependend by the sort of villains and the number of limpers. If you have like 3 limpers in EP and you shove and someone calls than hand like 78s, 89s, 9To, 9Ts, TJo and TJs are mandatorry call. I sometimes add 97s and T8s when shoving ranges are tighter.

Players 1: [QQ+, AKo+]
Player 2: [[QQ+, AKo+]
Hero: T8s

PF AI: Hero 37% P1: 31.5%, P2: 31.5%

So watch out, sometimes it's better to isoraise and see what happens. Go check what eq KK has in a 3way PF AI spot...

Originally posted by Fredjen
So watch out, sometimes it's better to isoraise and see what happens. Go check what eq KK has in a 3way PF AI spot...

Where can one check short-deck equities?

When you google it you will find some calculators

Originally posted by Fredjen
When you google it you will find some calculators
I did — I've been playing like a maniac !
It's been successful though, but obv not sustainable

So got my ass kicked on NL10

Ran about 10BI under EV, also a lot of set ups in villains favor. Fell down around 275 so rebuilding at NL5...

#Patience#innerpiece#variance

So yesterday was a good session at NL5 (up about 4BI - I will post graph tonight).

Notes to self:
Don't call PF AI w KK 200a+
Only play 2 tabels
Take a 5 to 10min break each hour away from desk
Use GTO tools more/study more => make a schedule playing/studying/working out (and post it for accountablity and follow up )

As promised

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