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snowdust
Joined: 14.03.2021

HAND 1
Hero (BTN): $25.43 (101.7 bb)
SB: $22.19 (88.8 bb)
BB: $27.65 (110.6 bb)
UTG: $38.65 (154.6 bb)
MP: $27.84 (111.4 bb)
CO: $24.65 (98.6 bb)

SB posts $0.10, BB posts $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q♥: J♥:
UTG raises to $0.60, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.60, SB raises to $3.00, fold, UTG calls $2.40, Hero calls $2.40

Flop: ($9.25, 3 players) 6♦: 5♥: A♠:
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.32, 2 folds

Results: $9.25 pot ($0.44 rake)
Final Board: 6♦: 5♥: A♠:

Hero wins $8.44

Is this preflop a call? What is our calling range here?

HAND 2
BTN: $55.57 (222.3 bb)
SB: $51.06 (204.2 bb)
BB: $24.29 (97.2 bb)
UTG: $49.09 (196.4 bb)
Hero (MP): $38.36 (153.4 bb)
CO: $26.35 (105.4 bb)

SB posts $0.10, BB posts $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 7♦: 6♦:
fold, Hero raises to $0.63, fold, BTN calls $0.63, SB calls $0.53, fold

Flop: ($2.14, 3 players) A♥: T♦: A♦:
SB checks, Hero bets $0.54, BTN calls $0.54, fold

Turn: ($3.22, 2 players) J♣:
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.50, Hero folds

Results: $3.22 pot ($0.16 rake)
Final Board: A♥: T♦: A♦: J♣:

BTN wins $3.06

Too nitty?

HAND 3
BTN: $22.76 (91 bb)
SB: $32.45 (129.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $25.00 (100 bb)
UTG: $25.00 (100 bb)
MP: $40.54 (162.2 bb)
CO: $29.08 (116.3 bb)

SB posts $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has J♠: K♥:
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.63, fold, Hero calls $0.38

Flop: ($1.36, 2 players) 5♥: A♥: Q♦:
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00

Turn: ($3.36, 2 players) Q♣:
Hero bets $1.68, BTN calls $1.68

River: ($6.72, 2 players) 8♠:
Hero checks, BTN checks

Results: $6.72 pot ($0.33 rake)
Final Board: 5♥: A♥: Q♦: Q♣: 8♠:

Hero shows J♠: K♥:: (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 40%, Flop 20%, Turn 9%)

BTN shows A♠: 5♠:: (Two Pair, Aces and Queens)
(Pre 60%, Flop 80%, Turn 91%)

BTN wins $6.39

Do you like turn probe? After turn probe is this is a river (over)bet? blocking AK, AJ and a bunch of queens


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snowdust
Joined: 14.03.2021

One more:

Hero (SB): $26.48 (105.9 bb)
BB: $30.24 (121 bb)
UTG: $25.00 (100 bb)
CO: $25.00 (100 bb)
BTN: $25.86 (103.4 bb)

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K♠: A♣:
UTG raises to $0.63, fold, BTN calls $0.63, Hero raises to $3.00, fold, UTG calls $2.37, BTN calls $2.37

Flop: ($9.25, 3 players) T♠: K♣: 8♠:
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($9.25, 3 players) 8♥:
Hero bets $4.63, 2 folds

Results: $9.25 pot ($0.45 rake)
Final Board: T♠: K♣: 8♠: 8♥:

Hero wins $8.55

100% cb?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

It is probably better overall to post each hand in its own thread, otherwise members are having to flip back and forth to answer.
Hand #1 :Q♥:J♥:
Generally I would fold vs UTG, but having called, it can easily induce a bluff squeeze from a loose aggro player.
I find that short stacks are often raising pocket pairs hoping to win the flip, so as played the in-position flop bet makes sense.

Hand #2 :7♦:6♦:
You gave it your best, but the runout doesn't favour your range. You had to fold

Hand #3 :J♠:K♥:
No idea. With just a gutshot and a backdoor flush draw I probably fold the flop (I don't play this limit)


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I would always CBet K♠:A♣: on T♠:K♣:8♠:
So many draws can call, and so many turns would therefore be scary


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

1st hand I wouldn't mind the call, but it's a little bit villian depended. QJs has decent post-flop playabillity. Off course 1 of the blinds could squeeze, but even than you have position on all players. Flop bet is close with only a backdoor flush draw as back-up if you get action. It's tough to represent top pair with your pre-flop line.

2nd han you are in a tricky spot on the flop against 2 villians with only a draw on the moment. You could also check the flop and try to get a cheap turn card. It will be tough to get 2 villians to fold without position. Turn is indeed a fold. You could be drawing dead sometimes and if you hit the flush it's tough to get value i think.

3th hand it's to bad we don't have any info on the villian in this hand. Read less I would most likely fold the flop with only 3 clean outs to the nuts. Not sure what your idea is about your turn bet.

4th hand I would Cbet around 1/3 pot on the flop for value and protection. It helps you have a nut flush blocker, but I don't think you want to give 1 of the villians a free card.

Cheers,
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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

Hand 1: I 3bet preflop, no calling range at all, but I guess you can call on BTN with medium pocket pairs, suited connectors and suited broadways. But I would pay close attention to the players in the blinds. The more aggressive they are the more I tend to 3bet. And the more passive/bad they are the more I tend to flat.

Hand 2: OTF being in between 2 players is an awkward spot. I would prefer to play a draw passively here. As played, I think you have to call OTT because you have a lot of implied odds vs. Qx. Even though it's hard to realize your equity OOP.

Hand 3: Call on the flop vs a large size on a board that favors Villain's range big time is probably too loose. I don't like the lead on the turn at all. It's not a probe bet in its original sense. (Probe bet would only apply if Villain checked back OTF). I think leading turn should mostly be done (if at all) on low card boards that favor the BB's range.

Hand 4: I would cbet here OTF. You need value urgently because there are quite some equity shifting turn cards. The bet on the turn is a bit large IMO. A lower SPR and MFA being split among the two remaing players both call for sizing it down to 25-30% I would say. But I am not completely sure as there are so many nuances.


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sandraardnas
Joined: 11.01.2012

Hand 3 (KJo bb v bu): you guys say it is a fold because of the sizings nowadays? Everybody cb small even when they should bet big, so when someone bets 73% then he dont have too many bluffs? That maybe so, but it still kind of nitty to fold 70% of your range bb vs button cb, isnt it? I mean if many players think so, then its probably time to start cbetting big again.


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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

Originally posted by sandraardnas
Hand 3 (KJo bb v bu): you guys say it is a fold because of the sizings nowadays? Everybody cb small even when they should bet big, so when someone bets 73% then he dont have too many bluffs? That maybe so, but it still kind of nitty to fold 70% of your range bb vs button cb, isnt it? I mean if many players think so, then its probably time to start cbetting big again.

I do not tend to fold there because of any particular reads. My assumption was that it is a fold from a game theory standpoint, considering pot odds and MDF.
As I just checked in GTO Wizard, it is a mix mainly between call and fold, so a 0 EV play.


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sandraardnas
Joined: 11.01.2012

From what I see in gto wizard, when buton makes cb 4.5 to 5.5 pot (which is even a bit more than in our hand) we get ev of calling equal to 1.26 with KhJx, which is clear call (and its better than some Ax). All KJ is a call here according to gto wizard. And whats surprising to me is that for example QJ of spades is slightly minus ev call.

I used nl50 complex setting.


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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

Originally posted by sandraardnas
From what I see in gto wizard, when buton makes cb 4.5 to 5.5 pot (which is even a bit more than in our hand) we get ev of calling equal to 1.26 with KhJx, which is clear call (and its better than some Ax). All KJ is a call here according to gto wizard. And whats surprising to me is that for example QJ of spades is slightly minus ev call.

I used nl50 complex setting.

Maybe I misread the results. IIRC, I used NL50 General 2.5x. Can't check right now because my subscription expired.


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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

Originally posted by monteCarlol

Originally posted by sandraardnas
From what I see in gto wizard, when buton makes cb 4.5 to 5.5 pot (which is even a bit more than in our hand) we get ev of calling equal to 1.26 with KhJx, which is clear call (and its better than some Ax). All KJ is a call here according to gto wizard. And whats surprising to me is that for example QJ of spades is slightly minus ev call.

I used nl50 complex setting.

Maybe I misread the results. IIRC, I used NL50 General 2.5x. Can't check right now because my subscription expired.

I checked again. Turns out that the EV of calling with a lot of KJo combos is 0. All combos that contain the Kh are profitable calls, though.


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snowdust
Joined: 14.03.2021

Cool, thx guys. Some food for thought here, I'l post some more in the future.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

QhJh: Just fold pre, don't be a smart ass vs nitty SB squeezing ranges vs UTG.
On the Flop it's ok to occasionally bluff such a hand since you have backdoors but probably not too often.

7d6d: Check/calling baby flush draws would be terrible, especially on board pairing boards OOP. So you either bet or you check/fold. I think either option is fine, I tend to lean more towards betting but if he's the type of guy who calls QT/KT/JT then you could probably check/fold cos that's the kind of hands you want to fold out when you bet the Turn.

KJo: I like the idea of the Turn bet, but you make life super easy for him.
You have 2 possible strategies here. You either do a 20% pot bet with your entire range on the Turn, and play some Rivers. Alternatively you pot bet Turn with some QX and do it with some straight draws and some flush draws (not all, but a couple of them). Then you follow through with the bluffs on some rivers - Blank Rivers suck in general since you have way too many busted draws and I wouldn't typically use KhX hands to bluff River.

I think I rather take an offsuit JT no heart or a baby flushdraw to pot the Turn and maybe pot some rivers to put his AX hands in a world of hurt. Half potting here just allows him to show down cheaply.

AK - you can check/call or check/raise some combos of AK vs people who stab flop too much. AsK is good for check/calling and playing spade Turns vs guys who get aggro and barrel off. Check/raise is good for people who love to stick it in with draws or KQ/KJ.

Vs the more passive opponents, just bet and don't give them a free card on this flop. so many bad turns.


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Vampiir142
Joined: 01.10.2017

Hand1 - fold preflop
hnad2 - preflop rise only vs nit opponents, postflop - no nitty fold for me
Hand3 - without probe bet on the turn, he could have lot of Ax hands in calling range preflop and postflop


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