74s on SB vs BB, interesting river card

For me its qiute hard to tell anything with huge confidence because i would not find myself in this spot.

Imo he will not call a shove with worse. If we still want to bet we should go small and i doubt he will go all in with a balanced range. That's why i would fold.

If we go w check river that's more intresting. Villain will xb hands we could get value from.

When he goes all in we r kinda fucked. We only beat busted draws but we are blocking the ones (7:c) which would make sense to triple.

I hope others will share their opinions

Fold pre. unless you know he's folding to much pre or on the flop. As played it's an easy fold on the turn. The way you played it it does not make sense to bet the river, since he is super polarised. I'd rather let him bluff and c/c.

Originally posted by kacsa1st
For me its qiute hard to tell anything with huge confidence because i would not find myself in this spot.

Imo he will not call a shove with worse. If we still want to bet we should go small and i doubt he will go all in with a balanced range. That's why i would fold.

If we go w check river that's more intresting. Villain will xb hands we could get value from.

When he goes all in we r kinda fucked. We only beat busted draws but we are blocking the ones (7:c) which would make sense to triple.

I hope others will share their opinions

Hey, thanks for the input, yeah, loose open on SB, loose call on turn, and a difficult decision on river.

It's hard to ask question like this because so few will find themselves in these spots where they punted preflop and postflop but I think you did a good job.

Originally posted by Infreed42
Fold pre. unless you know he's folding to much pre or on the flop. As played it's an easy fold on the turn. The way you played it it does not make sense to bet the river, since he is super polarised. I'd rather let him bluff and c/c.

I made that presumption, yes, but it's just a guess so it is not reliable.

Yeah, okay, I think passive line is a valid option, the villain seems aggressive in position.

River - check / call.
he could call BB vs SB preflop cca 40-45%? Flop rerise some 2 clubs, Qx ....
He should not rerise T9 on the flop or some back doors diamonds.

flop is mix between bet and check

on the river if we have the option check / call allin or shove allin ourself
Solver likes to mix x/c 57 % of time and shove ourself 42 % somewhat.

but never folds to allin if checked.

Limping pre-flop could be a option as well if villain isn't raising to often in position and you keep the pot smaller out of position. If you hit a draw like this you could lead the flop around half pot and call a raise.

Turn I would fold against a over bet and if you call I would check to the aggressor on the river and call a shove with the straight.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Originally posted by SDK1987
Limping pre-flop could be a option as well if villain isn't raising to often in position and you keep the pot smaller out of position. If you hit a draw like this you could lead the flop around half pot and call a raise.

Turn I would fold against a over bet and if you call I would check to the aggressor on the river and call a shove with the straight.

Cheers,
SDK1987

I wouldn't develop limp strategy in SB for this high rake environment.

Limping pre is fine if you know the opponent is a fish. Otherwise this is a fold pre. This shouldn't be in your open range vs an unknown.

As played turn is an easy fold. Your flushdraw and gutshot isn't to the nuts, not to mention diamonds are out giving you less clean outs even if you do hit. Both of your draws are dominated. I'm not sure why you would call here.

As played river x/c. And that's the issue here - even after you hit one of your decent outs villain still can have 79 or a flush here.

Originally posted by kacsa1st
I wouldn't develop limp strategy in SB for this high rake environment.

I don't know to what extent this applies to hold'em, but in draw games, limping is only done from SB in very rare circumstances.
The primary reason is that if you raise you get the blinds rake-free.
If you limp even if you win the pot, you win less.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by kacsa1st
I wouldn't develop limp strategy in SB for this high rake environment.

I don't know to what extent this applies to hold'em, but in draw games, limping is only done from SB in very rare circumstances.
The primary reason is that if you raise you get the blinds rake-free.
If you limp even if you win the pot, you win less.

I do not get why u replied this to me?!
What u wrote is obvious and right.
Only SB qualify for this move.

The only occasion when we want to build a limping strategy is when it has more EV to it compared to only raise/fold strat.

So we can do this if BB is a weak player on lower limits. Otherwise the rake is way too high and not worth bothering with it. I guess nl1k+ we can start impement some shenanigans like this.

Thank you all.

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Originally posted by kacsa1st
I wouldn't develop limp strategy in SB for this high rake environment.

Originally posted by kacsa1st
I do not get why u replied this to me?!

Because I quite agree with your original statement, and adding at least one more reason why it is true.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Because I quite agree with your original statement, and adding at least one more reason why it is true.

Aham gotcha!

Somehow seemed to me a counter opinion but still stating the same so i got confused like wtf ♦

My bad man

Drifter:

So u chose the power move
Villain was hollywooding (small chance) or folded 2p/set imo.
I still like my small bet.

Originally posted by kacsa1st
Drifter:

So u chose the power move
Villain was hollywooding (small chance) or folded 2p/set imo.
I still like my small bet.

I put him on 66/88/QJ because he made an overbet on turn. It's rather narrow but I had to make a decision, but I had questions later.

If solver says shove 47% of the time then I think that's acceptable.

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
If solver says shove 47% of the time then I think that's acceptable.

in case villain calls the same frequency as the solver which i doubt a lot.

edit: and imo he does it rightfully cos i bet u won't have enough bluffs.
(ofc i can be wrong)