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AKs on BTN, isolation pot, 3 ways, tough river

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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

CO is 33/7, 84 hands
BB is 34/24/af7.0/3B:18, 29 hands

I wasn't watching the table carefully, I think if I saw the shorty on BB then I would made the raise bigger preflop.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 268.85 BB
SB: 1002.03 BB
BB: 65.79 BB
UTG: 62.17 BB
MP: 19.82 BB
CO: 108.08 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♠ A♠

fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4.5 BB, fold, BB calls 3.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB

Flop: (14 BB, 3 players) 5♠ A♥ 9♣
BB bets 6.65 BB, fold, Hero calls 6.65 BB

Turn: (27.3 BB, 2 players) 2♦
BB bets 12.97 BB, Hero calls 12.97 BB

River: (53.24 BB, 2 players) Q♦
BB bets 41.67 BB and is all-in, Hero ? ?

It's a tough spot because he has a fair bit of 2P and sets in his range.

So for that reason I chose to call down instead.

However, if we were ahead on flop then raise seems to be in order.

Thoughts?


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Infreed42
Joined: 08.07.2007

I have no idea how fancy people get on nl 100 nowadays, but bb is supposed to lead the flop mainly for value vs the fish. Don't see any alternative to your calls on flop and turn. Nh, if you folded the river. He's never betting worse for value and only halfway reasonable bluffs are gunshots. But I don't see how he's betting this all the way.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by Infreed42
I have no idea how fancy people get on nl 100 nowadays, but bb is supposed to lead the flop mainly for value vs the fish. Don't see any alternative to your calls on flop and turn. Nh, if you folded the river. He's never betting worse for value and only halfway reasonable bluffs are gunshots. But I don't see how he's betting this all the way.

Yeah, donk, donk, shove is a very strong line indeed. I agree.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I don't think you're pre-flop sizing is bad in position. Post-flop seems standard until the river. Read less I would fold the river, but it's close. If villian over played hands like AT-AJ I would call with AK.

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SDK1987


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

I would probably raise flop jam turn. Even though it's multiway you have a strong enough hand here I think.

As played I think folding or calling are both ok options here.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by SDK1987
I don't think you're pre-flop sizing is bad in position. Post-flop seems standard until the river. Read less I would fold the river, but it's close. If villian over played hands like AT-AJ I would call with AK.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Originally posted by DecMate
I would probably raise flop jam turn. Even though it's multiway you have a strong enough hand here I think.

As played I think folding or calling are both ok options here.

Against a competent TAG, this would be a fold like Infreed42 said.

However in this case,

I think calling river is okay just because the villain is not even fully stacked and we allowed him to keep firing without hinderance in other words he could do this with AJ/AT/AQ so that's win for us 2 out of 3 times.


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

Originally posted by Dr1fter808

Originally posted by SDK1987
I don't think you're pre-flop sizing is bad in position. Post-flop seems standard until the river. Read less I would fold the river, but it's close. If villian over played hands like AT-AJ I would call with AK.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Originally posted by DecMate
I would probably raise flop jam turn. Even though it's multiway you have a strong enough hand here I think.

As played I think folding or calling are both ok options here.

Against a competent TAG, this would be a fold like Infreed42 said.

However in this case,

I think calling river is okay just because the villain is not even fully stacked and we allowed him to keep firing without hinderance in other words he could do this with AJ/AT/AQ so that's win for us 2 out of 3 times.

This type of villain is volitile, and I think our hand is better the earlier we get chips in vs this type of opponent. I think in general we are probably beating his range but it'll be a high varience spot once we get to the river. I'd expect the call to probably be +EV but I would also expect to be beat quite alot. I think if we get it in after a flop raise / turn jam we get it in good alot more then calling down a triple.

And yeah against a TAG obviously would be a fold. But we wouldn't often see a flop donk triple barrel from that type of opponent.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by DecMate

And yeah against a TAG obviously would be a fold. But we wouldn't often see a flop donk triple barrel from that type of opponent.

It seems fishy, doesn't it? the awkward stack size, and the donkathon seems so needy for cash, these are signs, imo.

Don't you click the spoiler below:

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PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 268.85 BB
SB: 1002.03 BB
BB: 65.79 BB
UTG: 62.17 BB
MP: 19.82 BB
CO: 108.08 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♠ A♠

fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4.5 BB, fold, BB calls 3.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB

Flop: (14 BB, 3 players) 5♠ A♥ 9♣
BB bets 6.65 BB, fold, Hero calls 6.65 BB

Turn: (27.3 BB, 2 players) 2♦
BB bets 12.97 BB, Hero calls 12.97 BB

River: (53.24 BB, 2 players) Q♦
BB bets 41.67 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 41.67 BB

BB shows A♦ J♥ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 25%, Flop 12%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows K♠ A♠ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 75%, Flop 88%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins 134.08 BB
Fish's logic is something like,
1. Wow, this is it, this is the best hand known to man.
2. I'm so doggone broke and I got no more money to deposit.
3. I want my money now, now, now.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

I think we can pretty much discount villain being ok player as theory wise BB donk betting dry Axx flop seems pretty bad idea. Also short stack indicate recreational player.

That doesn't really tell much about postflop tendencies obviously but I think it does increase chance of him overvaluing weaker Ax. We only need to be good 30% of time on river so probably fine to call.


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Vampiir142
Joined: 01.10.2017

If he had strong hand set 999 or 2 pairs A9, he could check rise flop vs 2. I guest he has A+medium cards and he is trying to force fold.
On the flop - you should rerise him.
On the river - big bet has no sense. With top par + top kicker I would call.


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