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Tamaseger
Joined: 14.11.2010

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu

Originally posted by NapoleonBonaparte135
You really overеstimate the players. I am the opposite. For me all players are terrible till they show me the opposite.

Maybe you consider whales as 'regulars'? I started playing week ago on nl5 zoom and regs there obviously make a lot of bad decisions, however they are not whales losing 30bb/100 or more. And you really need that kind of winrate to triple AK here with big sizings and happily call to raise.

For me a player is a "regular" if I see them frequently — let's say more than 2 or 3 times a week.
I characterise their play on a scale from "tight", to "loose" for pre-flop play and "passive" to "aggro" for post-flop play.
I used to take careful notes, but on sites where I play fast-fold I've rather fallen behind.

Do you also use the term "fishreg" or "regfish"? There are players who play on like a daily basis, but play so terribly that calling them regular would be really misleading.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Tamaseger
Do you also use the term "fishreg" or "regfish"? There are players who play on like a daily basis, but play so terribly that calling them regular would be really misleading.

I try not to use disparaging terms for players like "fish", "whale" or "maniac".
This started when I was streaming and realized that several audience members were actually playing on the same tables.
It also implies that somehow I'm not a fish :coolface:

So I started just describing their play by the characteristics.
I even dropped "villain" in favour of opponent.


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MYLFF
Joined: 20.07.2022

Against a UTG open I would just flat here against unknown like you did here

On such a dynamic A hi board with middle set.. I would raise the flop pretty big..looking to get it in on that flop and make less odds to hit the turn.

If you just call the flop I would at least make an overbet/over raise on the turn with 2 flush draws, straight draws and an A hi board..you're likely to get a lot of worse hands to overpay there to see the river. Sets, 2ps, top pairs, etc.

River is a clear shove/call all in if played my way even with the diamond falling because you're already so committed..but in your case, idk. Cuz I would never play it this way.

Villain has nut and range advantage on that flop but you have JJJ..again..I think it's a mistake to not try to get all the money in on that flop or turn.. a lot of AK, AQ type hands will go broke there as will a lot of strong and maybe even some weaker draws. Or pay off raises and reraises on flop and turn with just pair, 2p type hands...

As played on the river I think it's supposed to be just a call against unknown player. You allowed a lot of draws to get there by only C/Cing flop, turn and river.

I'm gonna say you underplayed the flop and turn..and overplayed the river..it should've been done backwards lol

Peace.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

On flop you should ask if there are any semibluffs in your range? Because JJ is basically your best value combo possible unblocking Ax and draws. Flop can still be mix of call and raise but as played turn should indeed be raise then. Again best possible value combo and hand really wants protection on this super wet board.

On river hand is not bluff catcher. There seems to be some sort of misguided thinking there that just calling makes hand "bluff catcher only". We likely beat some portion of villain value range but river should be very scary for villain also.

Ok so if we go with assumption villain bet-calls river with all of his value range does it mean it's shove then? Not really because we need to beat over half of his value range. If he is bluffing he probably won't call. So call can be good in this case even if raise is not. It doesn't make hand bluff catcher by any means... Plus again assuming unknown opponent just bet-calls top pair or even two pair when most likely draws complete on river seems quite optimistic. But perhaps that is the case.

Well end of rant, I am just annoyed by wrong use of terminology.


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bumblebtuna
Joined: 14.08.2022

You really overеstimate the players. I am the opposite. For me all players are terrible till they show me the opposite.

Respectfully, this is pretty terrible advise.

I may assume I have a skill advantage over a table, but its better to treat a player as ABC poker until shown otherwise. It doesn't take long to find the bad players afterall


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