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multiway 3rd pair vs 3rd barrel

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expandir
Joined: 07.08.2008

Hi,

No reads on villain. Both of our perceived ranges are wide as he raised from the button and I overcalled in the BB. Preflop I guess is standard given the odds, and folding the flop is surely weak. But what is he betting the turn with half pot that then "improves" to a full pot in the river? Range seems very polarized to monsters such as TT, TQ and QQ+ (and very, very unlikely 77 and 22) and maybe T7s if he raises that and I guess his bluffs are 8h9h 8s9s JhKh JsKs and total unexpected shit ...I don't think he can bluff that often in the flop being MW and not hitting his percveived range that much (not being an "attack" board like Axx, Kxx, KKx, Qkk, AKx...)

Winamax - €0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 191.7 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 105 BB
MP: 18 BB
CO: 24.5 BB
BTN: 118.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♦ 7♦

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, SB calls 2 BB, Hero calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 3 players) T♥ 2♠ 7♠
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 3.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 3.5 BB

Turn: (14.5 BB, 2 players) Q♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 7.3 BB, Hero calls 7.3 BB

River: (29.1 BB, 2 players) 2♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 29.1 BB, fold

BTN wins 55.3 BB


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Villain can have all the nutted hands TT 77 22 also Qx as value hands then bluffs with the missed flush draws possibly some missed straight draws which you block with the Jd. But villains range isn't so important you have third pair on the turn and cant really defend it correctly so id fold the turn. Your also going to be drawing to dirty outs and possibly even drawing dead on the turn and unable to defend rivers unimproved with little showdown value. Your not even that far ahead of villains bluffs which are mostly 2 overs to the 7 with flush or straight draws.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by RedsYNWA
Villain can have all the nutted hands TT 77 22 also Qx as value hands then bluffs with the missed flush draws possibly some missed straight draws which you block with the Jd. But villains range isn't so important you have third pair on the turn and cant really defend it correctly so id fold the turn. Your also going to be drawing to dirty outs and possibly even drawing dead on the turn and unable to defend rivers unimproved with little showdown value. Your not even that far ahead of villains bluffs which are mostly 2 overs to the 7 with flush or straight draws.

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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Pre-flop you get decent odds to call, but J7s isn't playing to well multi way post-flop. Flop you hit middle pair, but with only a bluff catcher I would fold without any info on the villain in this hand. Villain shouldn't bluff against 2 players. Turn is as played a easy fold as well.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

PREFLOP

FLOP

TURN

And for Funsies, if we call and he goes 2/3 on a rag RIVER


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

I would donk the flop 1/3 for protection.

+1 to what reds said.
As played turn is a fold. We have no redraw and are probably a dog to almost all of his range. If he has a draw + 2 overs (which is pretty much best case scenario) he can still bluff river where we have to fold to any bet size. That's why turn is a fold.


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MartaiMrko
Joined: 02.02.2011

I agree with guys, It's a Mulitway pot, people underbluff this heavily, also you don't need to defend that much, on the turn is a clear fold, Jd is also bad to have, you should just make your life easy in this type of spots, nobody will exploit you, so there is no worries.


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Vampiir142
Joined: 01.10.2017

I woul fold on the flop.
He is betting to 2 opponents and he is using his possition on rhe dry board.


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MYLFF
Joined: 20.07.2022

At NL10 I don't ever see a need to continue on that flop or even the turn with just middle pair. Your intention with J7s is to make a FH, flush, straight, 2p, trips. You want to flop a little more than just middle pair, mid kicker to continue Multi-way against 2 unknowns again I can't stress this enough. This is NL10. Very little bluffing/bluffcatching needs to be done to profit at this limit as players will pay you off a lot with hands exactly like you have here in this hand. 😊

Also..I find if I'm multitabling..feeling the need to play marginal drawing hands OOP against unknowns with just 1 stack on the table out of boredom or feeling lucky goes down significantly.


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