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ZakYoun270
Joined: 10.12.2015

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software

PL Omaha 0.5(BB)
UTG ($48.57) [VPIP: 23.5% | PFR: 7.1% | AGG: 23.6% | Hands: 1300]
HJ ($24.76) [VPIP: 58.1% | PFR: 27.3% | AGG: 30.6% | Flop Agg: 34.2% | Turn Agg: 31.3% | River Agg: 20% | 3-Bet: 12.5% | 4-Bet: 18.8% | Hands: 371]
CO ($94.14) [VPIP: 59.1% | PFR: 29.6% | AGG: 35% | Flop Agg: 37.1% | Turn Agg: 39.4% | River Agg: 24.3% | 3-Bet: 7.2% | 4-Bet: 10% | Cold Call: 61.7% | Hands: 276]
HERO ($71.44) [VPIP: 21.1% | PFR: 10.7% | AGG: 16.6% | Flop Agg: 17% | Turn Agg: 16.5% | River Agg: 15.4% | 3-Bet: 3.2% | 4-Bet: 19.7% | Cold Call: 17.8% | Hands: 17892]
SB ($168.32) [VPIP: 20.8% | PFR: 10.9% | AGG: 18.3% | Hands: 1359]
BB ($59.23) [VPIP: 26.3% | PFR: 19.1% | AGG: 30.4% | Flop Agg: 28.1% | Turn Agg: 32.5% | River Agg: 32.7% | 3-Bet: 8% | Fold to 3-Bet: 17.6% | 4-Bet: 23.5% | Hands: 524]

Dealt to Hero: 9♥ 7♦ 8♣ Q♥

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $1.25, CO Calls $1.25, HERO Calls $1.25, SB Folds, BB Raises To $6.50, HJ Calls $5.25, CO Calls $5.25, HERO Calls $5.25

Hero SPR on Flop: [0.7 effective]
Flop ($26.25): J♥ 8♥ 8♦
BB Checks, HJ Checks, CO Bets $24.80 (Rem. Stack: $62.84), HERO Raises To $64.94 (allin)


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BradNitt
Joined: 22.07.2011

preflop its a fold versus the open raise and overcaller, we don't want to play Qhigh ss 2gapped rundowns there, even on the btn.
same for the 3bet

at the flop it's quite ugly. villain pots 4 way but he's not the 3bettor, so we can be in pretty shape and our hand looks better than it is.
don't know, no one would fold that kind of hand there of course but i think it's at least considerable and i would tend to fold because he's potting 4way and they are usually pretty honest.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

What was your thoughts during the hand?

Pre-flop seems loose to call in position, but after the 3bet you get decent odds to call when you are last to act.

On the flop I don't think I can fold trips with the the flush draw as backup.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Probably facing A8 type hand pretty often but with fd and gs as support I would stack off flop. I think JJ or J8 would bet smaller most likely.

Preflop is indeed easy fold. When you enter likely 4way pot you want nut potential. Our hand especially two gaps being on upper side offer very little of that. I would open raise this hand but fold to any open raise. Maybe iso raise versus one limper but even that is close imo.

PS: Villains being with wide ranges doesn't make these type of hands good to play as multiway pots are mainly about hitting dominating stuff.


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ZakYoun270
Joined: 10.12.2015

So the reason why I posted this hand was on first review I thought that pre was way too loose. And I still do agree with myself and the consensus here that pre was too loose, but it made me wonder what our flatting range should be on the button here. From my studies in PLO GTO I found that we have a significantly wider flatting range on the button than in any other position save the big blind. I also wondered about the impact of the first flatter on our flatting range. Another element is that villain opened for only 2.5x the bb, so this too may influence how wild we can flat.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

From Qx rundowns I would call widest like QJT7ss, QJ98ss type hands. Especially top gaps suck as those hands will often flop non nutted wraps and that's really bad in multiway pots.

I don't really widen my ranges at least much based on open raise sizing. Mainly calling bit wider in BB probably.


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