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Tricky NLHE hand with 4 players left in SnG (ICM)

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100stacks
Joined: 22.08.2022

Hey,
I´m puzzled as to what´s the right way to play the following hand in this SnG:

PokerStars Tournament #3460096896, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-in: $4.55/$0.45 USD
40 players
1: $70,56 (31,015%)
2: $50,88 (22,364%)
3: $36,72 (16,14%)
4: $26,49 (11,643%)

With 4 Players left in the SnG, this is the hand:

Ante: 125
Me (HERO) (21190 chips stack) - posts Small Blind: 600, [Qh Ac]
BB (9k chips stack) - posts Big Blind: 1200
Cut-off (7k chips stack) folds
Button (36982 chips stack) raises to 2400
Hero shoves to 21065 (All-in)
BB folds
Button calls 18665 (with TT in hand).
Button wins showdown.

So I have 17bb on the SB and I´m facing a 2bb raise from the Button..

If I were to re-raise to 7-8bb, I´might have to play AQ post-flop from out of position if Button just calls.. If Button were to re-raise All-in in this scenario, I´d have to call with AQ, wouldn´t I?

If I shove my hand, I will only add 3BB to my stack if everyone folds.. If someone calls, odds are it´s a coinflip (terrible for ICM with the other two players being short-stacked) or much worse. Should I fold AQ in this spot? Or just call the 2bb bet?

My primary concern here is the payout structure of the SnG, taking into consideration the short stack-sizes of the other two players on the table..
Is there any easy way to calculate whether or not it´s worth it to shove this considering the Tournament ICM?


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100stacks
Joined: 22.08.2022

BTW I know the shove is +EV poker-wise, it´s just the payout structure of the tournament and the two shortstacks at the table which makes me think about folding or just calling here.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

With 40 starters, you're already ITM — correct?
In that case, you are flipping for the next ladder.
I would be inclined to flat pre to see a flop.

I'm no SnG player though, and I will often play exactly like this.


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100stacks
Joined: 22.08.2022

Yeah, the bubble is at 7.th place, and this is the payout structure for the first 4 places:
1: $70,56 (31,015%)
2: $50,88 (22,364%)
3: $36,72 (16,14%)
4: $26,49 (11,643%)

My problem with flatting pre is that the button is in most cases just trying to steal the blinds and bully the table with his bigger stack, taking advantage of other players wanting to climb the payout ladder. So you´re really missing out on a lot of EV by not taking advantage of a premium hand, and you´ll have to play it from out of position as well.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

It's a tricky ICM spot for sure. The difference between 4th and 2nd is decent and you have a lot more chips than the 2 short stacks.

Read less you need to be careful against the chip leader as 2nd and chips and makes shoving easily -$ev if villain is calling to wide. The chips you lose has more value than the chips you win. I would most likely call and try to keep the pot small.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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100stacks
Joined: 22.08.2022

I now think calling really seems to be the best way to go here after all. Thanks for your input :)


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

This spot depends heavily also on how villain has played so far. If he has been using lot of open shoves to abuse ICM then this minraise should ring alarm bells. Like if BU shoves I think we can only call like TT+ or JJ+ and BB is also supposed to fold a ton. So if shoves has been his default line we should ask why is he not shoving now? There are players who are very monster heavy with minraise and shove other hands.

If on other hand his approach has been minraise a lot of time then shove is kind of no brainer. Of course sucks if we get called and lose but on other hand if we win we are the one in "driver seat" for this final table.

Call is reasonable option with 20bb but I am not big fan of it. We are going to x-f lot of time to cbet as we cant really start calling wide because of ICM. If we hit we might still be forced off from best hands some portion of time.


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