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Two pair with AQ - fold OTT vs all-in?

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Paraibuda
Joined: 24.08.2022

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 105.2 BB
SB: 95 BB
BB: 102.2 BB
UTG: 71.4 BB
MP: 132.2 BB
Hero (CO): 102.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♥ A♣

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) A♦ 9♣ Q♠
MP bets 3.4 BB, Hero calls 3.4 BB

Turn: (14.2 BB, 2 players) K♦
MP bets 9 BB, Hero raises to 22 BB, MP raises to 125.8 BB and is all-in, fold

MP wins 55.8 BB

Hi,
How would you have played this one? I have no reads on the villain, because I had just started to play against him.

So,

PF: I'm usually 3betting AQo IP, but here I decided to call (thinking it could be a good one to beat villain if he catched pair of aces or queens with a lower kicker - ace-rags, QT-QK, specially if he tried to bluff me).

F: I certainly wish I had raised here.
But... since flop came a rainbow and I had position, I decided to call.

T: Ok, K comes, I initially think I probably still have the best hand here. He comes with a double-barrell and I raise him.
Then he 3bets me all-in...

He could have AA, QQ, AK (that I block). KK, 99. JT c-bettting on the draw and hitting the turn?
Now, what would I beat here? KQ, a flush draw bluff. TT and a gutshout bluff?

Well, I do block the AA, QQ, and AK, but since I did not 3bet PF his range is not capped and I have no good reason to keep going when he 3bets me all-in. Fold.

What could I improve here?
Thanks.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

It's a interesting spot against a unknown I think. It's villain depended how I would play this hand, but read less I would call in position pre-flop and call the flop most of the time as well to keep villains range as wide as possible.

Turn is a interesting card. You have still a really strong hand, but not unbeatable and if you are planning to raise you need to go for it. I would most likely call and re-evaluate the river. This way you don't get in a tricky spot if villain shoves like now.

Now it's all about the reads you have if I would stack off or fold, but most of the time I would go for it.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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bumblebtuna
Joined: 14.08.2022

With an unknown I think you need to play little more ABC poker so I would take the raise as a strong range (as you have), feels like there are more hands beating you in this spot than bluffing. As played against an unknown I would fold until I have more info. But I play this with a call on the turn, the main reason being this is wet coordinated board that hits MP range a lot. I reraising gets you a lot more calls from hands that beat you, plus this can happen


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Paraibuda
Joined: 24.08.2022

Nice.
Calling the turn seems like the best option here.

Thanks!


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Paraibuda
Joined: 24.08.2022

That's a good tip, playing ABC poker with an unknown until I gather further information.
It seems clearer that the turn should be a call now.

Thanks.


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FriskyArt
Joined: 27.10.2009

Calling the turn was probably the better option so you could re-evaluate the river. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, then you potentially lost more money because I don't think you can fold to a pot sized bet regardless of what card the river brings....

I don't think you did much wrong in that hand as played. You have a strong hand here and you wouldn't mind to call or 3-bet OTT and play for a big pot. His reraise all-in just made it an easy fold. Nice hand.


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bumblebtuna
Joined: 14.08.2022

Originally posted by FriskyArt
Calling the turn was probably the better option so you could re-evaluate the river. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, then you potentially lost more money because I don't think you can fold to a pot sized bet regardless of what card the river brings....

Why not? Let's say river is the 4d and V pots it. Why cant we fold there?

I don't think you did much wrong in that hand as played. You have a strong hand here and you wouldn't mind to call or 3-bet OTT and play for a big pot. His reraise all-in just made it an easy fold. Nice hand.

If V called this turn raise rather than going all in what do you put V's range as?


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FriskyArt
Joined: 27.10.2009

I just

Originally posted by bumblebtuna

Originally posted by FriskyArt
Calling the turn was probably the better option so you could re-evaluate the river. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, then you potentially lost more money because I don't think you can fold to a pot sized bet regardless of what card the river brings....

Why not? Let's say river is the 4d and V pots it. Why cant we fold there?

I don't think you did much wrong in that hand as played. You have a strong hand here and you wouldn't mind to call or 3-bet OTT and play for a big pot. His reraise all-in just made it an easy fold. Nice hand.

If V called this turn raise rather than going all in what do you put V's range as?

I saw your comment and went through the hand again and well...you are right. Folding to a pot sized bet was certainly an option when a 3rd diamond would come and even if it didn't we might have been beat by many possible hands already. I was focusing on the wrong things here and got kind of lost in the process.

It's still a tricky spot and it's a flip decision OTT. It's a very nice holding but shouldn't be something to go broke on.


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LMcrow
Joined: 15.08.2006

Just 3bet AQo preflop. If you wanna flat call in Co, there are much better hands for that also i would only do that, example given pocket pairs, suited connectors, with big recreationals in blinds or BTN.

Flop call is okay- good. If you raise Flop you can expect a lot of folds of worse hands and so on ... Hands we wanna get value from.

Same logic goes for turn imo. I would also say the K on the turn is a very bad card for you hand because JT gets there.
Also imo like in theory the bigger he sizes with his bets raises the more he is polarized, the more we just wanna call these hands like the one you have and not raise here on the turn. ( when he almost pots turn )

Also its tough to get value from worse hands if we raise its possible tho. Also getting raised off the hand would also not be good because even if we are behind we still have Equity. And its also possible that he gets it in with worse hands and then we have a really difficult decision.

Just call turn seems fine play i would say. Unless this guy is big fish and gets it in with A4o, just call turn against bigger sizing.


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rap1dw1n3r
Joined: 06.02.2009

3bet pre (if facing a 4b then you get easy fold), o. The flop i like raising here, sure we fold out a lot of worse hands we might get value from but its 5nl we get a ton of calls ant stackoffs vs AK, and even random hands. As played its a call on the turn, K is kinda bad card for you, i think the worst one possible, and by calling you can just call again on almost any river unless its makes 4 straight board and he overbet shoves but it will happen rarely. Raise fold line ir alright too but you can get into dumb weird spots like this one and i think in micros its best to keep the game as simple as possible and headache free


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