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Straight flush draw, 4 ways

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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

Dont have a cow, heres your converted hand
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players

Button: $11.01
SB: $14.18
BB: $10.00 (Hero)
UTG: $8.73
UTG+1: $7.63
CO: $13.88

Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with (6 players)
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, Button folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.20) (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1.15, CO calls $1.15, SB calls $1.15, Hero calls $1.15

Turn: ($5.80) (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks

River: ($5.80) (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets $12.43 and is all-in, SB folds, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls $6.18 and is all-in

I feel like calling and keeping all 3 players in with my equity was best, rather than maybe taking it down but likely ending up flipping against 1 person with dead money, but I wasn’t sure.

I do think check raising does put a lot of pressure on hands which have a lot of equity against me, like a higher flush draw where they don’t have the odds to call, or top pair. For this to be effective, I’d have to check / shove. Obviously anything less I’m committed on the turn so it makes sense to put max pressure on the flop with this route.

However, as it’s NL10, not sure how often people would actually fold these hands, and I know I have the odds to just flat here and reevaluate the turn.

Thoughts?


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

I would question if we want to call pre with quite this small suited connector but other people probably know better.

Flop is fine x-c as we have 8 strong outs. But we should understand that spades in general are tricky as when three opponents are willing to put pot bet in there is high chance of someone having higher fd. Fold equity is likely close to zero for flop x-shove.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Pre-flop call is understandable with the odds you get with a weak suited connector. On the flop I would check/call as well. If you shove you need to hit to win without much fold equity.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

Thanks both, really helpful!

Ghaleon, what was your thought process behind folding this pre? I have few ideas but curious about yours


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LMcrow
Joined: 15.08.2006

the thoughts behind folding this pre is that 43s is heavily dominated specialy multiway with huge reverse implied odds, but at the same time we get good price for calling this pre.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Issue with 43s or 32s is ability to make straights. Like if flop is A2x you only have gs. So there are less chances to flop straight or oesd. Another issue is that draws or straights we flop are more often dominated. In this hand our flush outs have fair chunk of negative implied odds if we are not ready to fold flush depending of the action. Lets say turn was Q♠: and SB donk bets half pot. Do we continue? Not nice spot as SB would basically say "I have flush" and we would have two players left to act. Flush is most of time strong holding but in multiway pots especially one should be aware of risks.

Smaller issue is that straight we make are rarely nut straights. This is not issue in general in holdem as straight over straight is rare. But still lets say flop comes 5♥:6♥:7♣:. Its not just about someone possibly having 98 but also about draws. Hand like A♥:8♥: or K♥:9♥: are not that uncommon ones. Bigger suited connector can of course get into same situation as well but chance for it is bit smaller.


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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

Thanks man, this is really insightful feedback. Appreciate you taking the time


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