ZOOM TP T kicker vs river potbet

It is Villain dependent but I think this is almost always the correct play to fold here, especially at micro limit zoom tables.

I've started folding these hands pre, unless I am opening or 3 betting, I still flat them if I am in the BB, but not from other positions anymore. Villains line smells like a F/H or flush, could even be a weird played OP.

Terribly played hand. Flat with this hand against UTG is way too loose. You dont close the action, you risk being squeezed, you are dominated most of the time.

Fold or 3bet preflop. Fold most of the time without information. As played on the flop call on the cbet is standard but OTT... Why do you inflate the pot with such a weak hand and flush possibility? Your size is terrible as well. Bigger size or check behind (much prefereble option). You want pot control with this hand.

As played fold OTR is okay. Your opponent's play is a tricky one. From my expirience on the micros players love to play tricky their big hands (big mistake). This potsize seems like a lot of strenght

I've been trying to search for a way on how to play the stakes best. And I know that in theory, I should be folding or 3-betting. But i've the impression that on zoom tables this doesn't always apply.
The reason I flat pre vs the utg is that people overvalue some of their hands and this can pay off. (E.g. calling down with AK) I also win pots similar to this one because of position. Also squeeze plays don't happen very often. If someone decides to jump into the pot (which happens a lot) my odds even become better.

I do agree with the very bad turn play. I have the habit of betting to know where I'm at thus unnecessarily bloating the pot. Shouldn't have done that ...

Also squeeze plays don't happen very often.

But flat call can (and will eventually) become a habit witch will be punished on a higher stake. Habits are easy to obtain and hard to eradicate

If someone decides to jump into the pot (which happens a lot) my odds even become better.

or worse. Multiway pots you want to play hands with high nut potential. T9s doesnt qualifie

Originally posted by NapoleonBonaparte135

Also squeeze plays don't happen very often.

But flat call can (and will eventually) become a habit witch will be punished on a higher stake. Habits are easy to obtain and hard to eradicate

If someone decides to jump into the pot (which happens a lot) my odds even become better.

or worse. Multiway pots you want to play hands with high nut potential. T9s doesnt qualifie

How do your odds become better multiway? Also nut potential totally depends on the board.

Also nut potential totally depends on the board

What are you talking about? How nut potential of the hand depends on the board? Hands with high nut potential: A2s+ JT, KQ, QJ.

After AK, JT is the best drawing type hand in texas holdem. Why? Because it is the only hand in the game that can make 4 nut straights. But also can make very strong flushes witch occasionaly will be 2nd or 3rd nuts. Will hit top pairs from time to time with a decent kicker that have the potential to extract 1 or 2 streets of value. This is a hand with very high nut potential. Suitable for multiway pots. Much more profitable than T9s.

This hand is a pure example of why we should avoid playing specualtive hands most of the time. There is another reason as well. It's called rake

Originally posted by jiffybag
I've started folding these hands pre, unless I am opening or 3 betting, I still flat them if I am in the BB, but not from other positions anymore. Villains line smells like a F/H or flush, could even be a weird played OP.

SO, when you don't fold them, nor 3bet them, you pley them OOP? Playing it OOP is the reason I fold them most of the times in SB and BB. You often need to protect this hands a lot and that means you rarely will get info before you are forced to put in aggression. I lost count to the times this kind of hands flopped 2 pairs, just to see the board paired and lose to an overpair. When you get a draw with this drawy hands, this is very "announced" and most of the villains will mak you pay and when you hit you will not monetize, because you are playing face up cards OOP.

Originally posted by KoningAlbert
I've been trying to search for a way on how to play the stakes best. And I know that in theory, I should be folding or 3-betting. But i've the impression that on zoom tables this doesn't always apply.
The reason I flat pre vs the utg is that people overvalue some of their hands and this can pay off. (E.g. calling down with AK) I also win pots similar to this one because of position. Also squeeze plays don't happen very often. If someone decides to jump into the pot (which happens a lot) my odds even become better.

I do agree with the very bad turn play. I have the habit of betting to know where I'm at thus unnecessarily bloating the pot. Shouldn't have done that ...

This is hard enough a hand to play in regular tables, with villains info, and you justify the flat by being zoom and not having info?
The only situation I consider this to be a good hand is when you know villain 3bet call range, you have enough FE and trust your post-flop against villain. All based on knowldege over the villain, that probably you don't have on zoom.
And is zoom, you can fold this and go to the next one.
Try to check your overall profit on this hands when you flat them. If is green keep it up.

SO, when you don't fold them, nor 3bet them, you pley them OOP? Playing it OOP is the reason I fold them most of the times in SB and BB. You often need to protect this hands a lot and that means you rarely will get info before you are forced to put in aggression. I lost count to the times this kind of hands flopped 2 pairs, just to see the board paired and lose to an overpair. When you get a draw with this drawy hands, this is very "announced" and most of the villains will mak you pay and when you hit you will not monetize, because you are playing face up cards OOP.

I flat in the BB now yes, I should look at my DB again from this position to see what's going on now.
It's like when I think I am plugging leak someone points out another

Originally posted by jiffybag
I flat in the BB now yes, I should look at my DB again from this position to see what's going on now.
It's like when I think I am plugging leak someone points out another
I won't flat in the BB if I'm going to be OOP against a strong range as indicated by either position or bet size — and yes, in the micros neither of those are guaranteed. I will flat against SB min-raises with a very wide range.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by jiffybag
I flat in the BB now yes, I should look at my DB again from this position to see what's going on now.
It's like when I think I am plugging leak someone points out another
I won't flat in the BB if I'm going to be OOP against a strong range as indicated by either position or bet size — and yes, in the micros neither of those are guaranteed. I will flat against SB min-raises with a very wide range.

Maybe after a 10K hand sample of this hand in the BB I am showing a profit?

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