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ghaleon
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12.03.2023, 15:18

Both villains unknown as I joined table moment ago. We are 120bb deep versus BU and 160bb versus SB.

Flop SPR is around 3.5 versus SB. Flop nuts with K♦: blocker which is bit bad. On other hand no pair blockers so I definitely start to bet. Also I think in practice we very rarely want to slowplay flop with any nut flush combos as people tend to play very straightforward. Anyway I get call and really weird minraise from SB. My assumption was that this is likely Q high flush overplayed. Maybe sort of information raise? If that is case then caller behind often has set or top two. So question is do we 3bet flop or just call?

Game #1842745854: Table €50 PL - 0.25/0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha - 12:37:13 2023/03/12
Seated players
Seat 1: Kluskaaa2 (€25.74)
Seat 2: Fadedout (€59.42)
Seat 5: Skrue (€162.61)
Seat 6: Koits (€82.01)
Blinds and button
Fadedout has the button
Skrue posts small blind €0.25
Koits posts big blind €0.50
Hole cards
Dealt to Koits A♦:9♥:A♥:K♦:
Preflop
Kluskaaa2 folds
Fadedout raises €1.75 to €1.75
Skrue calls €1.50
Koits raises €6.50 to €7
Fadedout calls €5.25
Skrue calls €5.25
Flop 8♦:6♦:J♦: (21€)
Skrue checks
Koits bets €6.75
Fadedout calls €6.75
Skrue raises €13.50 to €13.50
Koits?


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efkay
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12.03.2023, 17:50

GII OTF. If you get called be happy you are ahead. If everybody folds you deny some equity.


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12.03.2023, 18:49

Originally posted by efkay
GII OTF. If you get called be happy you are ahead. If everybody folds you deny some equity.

What is the equity of top set or top two vs a made nut flush?
I can't check atm since I have PokerStars running.


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12.03.2023, 20:45

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by efkay
GII OTF. If you get called be happy you are ahead. If everybody folds you deny some equity.

What is the equity of top set or top two vs a made nut flush?
I can't check atm since I have PokerStars running.

Around 35% for set and 20% for two pair.


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13.03.2023, 20:33

Well in game I mainly thought about how can I maximize chance that SB continue overplaying weaker flush. To me it felt like call is best approach to look weaker. Then again no idea if villain is ever folding flush if he raises with it. In my eyes flop 3bet screams nuts. Especially with third player involved that often has set or flush. But its tough to say how random recreational reacts imo.

Later on when I thought about this hand I am not so sure if we can expect BU to fold set? He is getting pretty good odds if I shove flop. Like BU has around 45€ behind. Even if he assumes SB is folding pot would be around 140€ so he is getting around required pot odds. But yeah some players might fold.

One good side in calling flop imo is that if BU call behind turn SPR is 1. If board pairs we can go into x-f mode pretty much imo. But if it doesnt we can then stack off on turn by calling SB shove or shoving ourselves. So overall I think we can use our position better by calling flop I would say. If I were OOP to raiser then I definitely like flop 3bet.


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13.03.2023, 23:16

just because you call there is no guarantee that on turn they continue the action. so you might fold some time on paired turns but bet and dont get called on other turns.

terrible thing if you fold the better hand on a scary paired turn. dont make your decisions too complicated:

you can always GII OTF as a clear favorite here at SPR4 in a 3bet pot 3ways. And if they fold thats a fine 100% win for me. the minraise in this spot is so not-regular that I wont be surprised if a set or straightflushdraw is going in here


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13.03.2023, 23:20

just because you call there is no guarantee that on turn they continue the action. so you might fold some time on paired turns but bet and dont get called on other turns.

terrible thing if you fold the better hand on a scary paired turn. dont make your decisions too complicated:

you can always GII OTF as a clear favorite here at SPR4 in a 3bet pot 3ways. And if they fold thats a fine 100% 90bb pot win for you. the minraise in this spot is so not-regular that I wont be surprised if a set or straightflushdraw is going in here.

its one of the oldest advises from a book I think it was transition to PLO: get your money in if you have it:f_drink:


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