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98s in CO in 3Bet pot, 2pr on flop

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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

My Ancient Charts have 98s as a call vs a BB 3Bet

but I'm not so sure. Part of the problem is that my charts were written in the days of 3x open raises
:diamond:  I'm now opening 2.4x
:diamond:  I'm now calling 3Bets much wider, if I will be in position vs the 3Bettor (my fold to 3Bet is less than 50%)
:diamond:  I'm using larger sizes post-flop

This is my 4th hand at this table, so we are both unknown to each other.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players

UTG: $17.17 (69 bb)
MP: $25.00 (100 bb)
CO (Hero): $25.00 (100 bb)
BU: $28.38 (114 bb)
SB: $48.78 (195 bb)
BB: $45.70 (183 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with 8♠:9♠:
2 players fold, Hero raises to $0.60, 2 players fold, BB 3-bets to $2.60, Hero calls $2 <<< this 3Bet is more than 4 x my bet. This should have set off alarm bells, but I considered that it likely showed a high pair, so I was willing to see a flop.

Flop: ($5.30) 8♣:7♥:9♣: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.63, BB raises to $6.40, Hero ???
Maybe there are people that 3Bet JT, but I'm not believing it. The check/raise OTF cements my opinion that his has a high pair — I'm blocking 99 and 88 but 77 is still live.

Board: 8♣7♥9♣
       Equity     Win     Tie
CO     59.56%  57.99%   1.57% { 9s8s }
BB     40.44%  38.87%   1.57% { TT+, 77, AcKc, AcQc, KcQc, AcJc, KcJc, QcJc, AcTc }

Even if I give him some broadways suited in :club:s and put 77 in his range I'm still a 60% favourite.

What do you do on this flop?


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

Maybe there are people that 3Bet JT, but I'm not believing it.

Its not about JTs. This is board on which you have a lot of draws and thats why BB doesnt mind playing for stacks with overpairs.

You can both call and shove. I'm not sure which one is better. Obviously if I call then I dont plan to fold unless we get terrrible runout.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

I'm happy to get it in on the flop vs CR, and expect to find myself ahead most of the time.


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

I like to get it in on this flop. I don't want to call and then see a club or 7. I don't give V credit for only a draw, but a 6 or a T will slow down big over pairs. I want the money now. Fist pump please hold :profit:


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Pre-flop I would most likely fold against a big 3bet.
As played I don't think I can get away with top 2 pair.
Off course it would be strange if villain would change a over pair in to a bluff.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

Think it's fine to call pf here.
Facing a x/r is an odd line in a 3b pot. I would ship here. He could definitely be taking a funky line with an overpair being scared of the texture. If he has 10J then so be it, cooler.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

OK Good.
Here's how it played out...

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players

UTG: $17.17 (69 bb)
MP: $25.00 (100 bb)
CO (Hero): $25.00 (100 bb)
BU: $28.38 (114 bb)
SB: $48.78 (195 bb)
BB: $45.70 (183 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with 8♠:9♠:
2 players fold, Hero raises to $0.60, 2 players fold, BB 3-bets to $2.60, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($5.30) 8♣:7♥:9♣: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.63, BB raises to $6.40, Hero raises to $22.40 (all-in), BB calls $16

Turn: ($50.10) T♦: (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($50.10) 8♦: (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $50.10 (Rake: $18.55)

Showdown:
CO (Hero) shows 8♠:9♠: (a full house, Eights full of Nines)
(Equity - Flop: 66%, Turn: 68%, River: 100%)

BB shows Q♥:T♥: (two pair, Tens and Eights)
(Equity - Flop: 34%, Turn: 32%, River: 0%)

CO (Hero) wins $31.55


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

If you were playing me, you don't even have to do your own betting.

GG Poker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 24.24 BB
SB: 100 BB
BB: 107.72 BB
UTG: 127.12 BB
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 91.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♠ A♣

fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, CO raises to 5.76 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 20.4 BB, CO calls 14.64 BB

Flop: (42.2 BB, 2 players) 7♣ 9♦ 8♣
Hero bets 79.6 BB and is all-in, CO calls 71 BB and is all-in

Turn: (184.2 BB, 2 players) J♥

River: (184.2 BB, 2 players) 4♥

Hero shows A♠ A♣ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 79%, Flop 31%, Turn 23%)
CO shows 8♠ 9♠ (Two Pair, Nines and Eights)
(Pre 22%, Flop 69%, Turn 77%)
CO wins 179.72 BB


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
If you were playing me, you don't even have to do your own betting.

Yeah, I do that sometimes — but more often, I'm the sitting back and letting 'em bet guy

In your case, since CO has less than 100 BB, I'm a-shoving this pre.
Still lose if he calls, but...


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