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How many times am I gonna pay off these nits?

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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

GG Poker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 128.92 BB
SB: 199.84 BB
BB: 124.88 BB
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 119.2 BB
CO: 100.84 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♣ Q♠

Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, CO raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 5♣ 2♠ 7♥
Hero checks, CO bets 14.56 BB, Hero calls 14.56 BB

Turn: (48.52 BB, 2 players) 4♣
Hero checks, CO bets 77.28 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 76.44 BB and is all-in

River: (201.4 BB, 2 players) 6♣

CO shows A♥ A♠ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows Q♣ Q♠ (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
CO wins 196.92 BB

It happened again. Another one of those uber nits in the game.

Why can't I fold QQ here?

Thoughts?


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mkBISCUIT
Joined: 19.01.2018

I have sometimes the same issue, that i do with Kings and Queens. I think with the stakes you are playing its something you just have to learn.. I call more as villains i play against are more likely to be somewhat balanced.

That being said your villain could be playing the same way with 10's j's and highly unlikely but possible q's.

shit happens- wait til you see the blog this month and my expected EV compared to my green line.. it just happens.. As Vorpal like to sat only the green line matters


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by mkBISCUIT
I have sometimes the same issue, that i do with Kings and Queens. I think with the stakes you are playing its something you just have to learn.. I call more as villains i play against are more likely to be somewhat balanced.

That being said your villain could be playing the same way with 10's j's and highly unlikely but possible q's.

shit happens- wait til you see the blog this month and my expected EV compared to my green line.. it just happens.. As Vorpal like to sat only the green line matters

There are like ten nits in game like this one. And they always have it. lol

If I have KK they have AA. If I have QQ they have KK. I never ever beat them.


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

Yeah QQ has become as strange a hand to play as AK. Players will flat QQ instead of 4bet or shove pre, but then stack off on a low flop. If I 4bet shove KK or AA and my opponent starts tanking and then calls off, its almost always QQ.
How often are you stacking off with QQ pre and vs what type of opponent?


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

You were outplayed. He did what was his to begin with.
I'm always crying in those spots and click call unless I see abmomination like guy with 3% 3bet and 20% postflop aggression after big sample.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu
You were outplayed. He did what was his to begin with.
I'm always crying in those spots and click call unless I see abmomination like guy with 3% 3bet and 20% postflop aggression after big sample.

I think I'm going to formulate a different plan for these nits from now on.

What do they do with JJ/TT? Throw them away. Because I never see them with it.


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

Originally posted by Dr1fter808

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu
You were outplayed. He did what was his to begin with.
I'm always crying in those spots and click call unless I see abmomination like guy with 3% 3bet and 20% postflop aggression after big sample.

I think I'm going to formulate a different plan for these nits from now on.

What do they do with JJ/TT? Throw them away. Because I never see them with it.

I see them flat 3 bets with these and try to get to showdown.


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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

You can fold with enough info from the HUD...Otherwise you can't fold, the field doesn't matter. I mean no such a field where you can fold as default...
I almost fold with KK over pair vs one guy with 1% 3bet, 25k sample, not my HH, I just started to play there, full ring. Was UTG, he on BB..Shove on the turn..JTs with FD he had...
Sometime you can do some "hero moves". I remember one nit, I call with TT for set, Axxx board, I saw how he play postflop and I turned TT to bluff, bet OTT, shove river, he showed the KK (fold)...It's extremely rare, mate...Those "Hero moves". Doesn't really matter. And you can't be sure at 100%, even with 100k sample...Like in this hand , where the nit had JTs...Looking the HUD only to make some Hero move is waste of time. Because its very rare...And will be -EV...Overall..For NL25....Snap call with the QQ and look at the other table...

What do they do with JJ/TT? Throw them away. Because I never see them with it.

Very often you will see JJ/TT these days...Exactly in this spot...More likely than KK+...With this shove OTT..Its just "variance", mate...That you saw only KK+...It is normal these days to see even 88, 99 here...Because of the "new" 3bet or fold strategy...The QQ is too strong here. To talk about this...Change this with TT and we will talk :)...


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hi NoNameHypo,
Welcome to PokerStrategy.com :welcome:

You sound like you know what you are talking about.
Why not take a moment to introduce yourself? Let us know what games you like and maybe a bit about yourself.

If you're currently an active player, be sure to check out https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=3255945#post3255945

All the best,
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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

Hi, I am NL2 crusher and I know so many things about the poker. GTO for example. I am a coach also...Only $500 per hour. I think I am at the right place. So many guys like me. Will be funny...:f_biggrin: No bad feelings ...Will be nice....This guy @Dr1fter808 look like "thirsty for knowledge" :f_biggrin:, I saw him and I made the reg...I hope we will have interesting discussions. And valuable...


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by NoNameHypo
Hi, I am NL2 crusher and I know so many things about the poker. GTO for example. I am a coach also...Only $500 per hour. I think I am at the right place. So many guys like me. Will be funny...:f_biggrin: No bad feelings ...Will be nice....This guy @Dr1fter808 look like "thirsty for knowledge" :f_biggrin:, I saw him and I made the reg...I hope we will have interesting discussions. And valuable...

I am thirsty for many things. But I don't need a coach though I just need AA.


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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

$400 for you, limited offer. I hope you understand the irony. I am here to learn something, to have fun as well, not to teach anyone...I hate those things, if someone know everything, why he is here? Not for good reason obv...


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