Mind Games

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Rolled up nines in Razz? Spare me!

At least you can get out cheaply with those. The worst ones are three wheel cards that hit well on 4th street, followed by a barrage of pairs, trips and face cards.

Originally posted by Harrier88

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Rolled up nines in Razz? Spare me!

At least you can get out cheaply with those. The worst ones are three wheel cards that hit well on 4th street, followed by a barrage of pairs, trips and face cards.

and with rolled up aces you can sometimes steal if you get a good looking runout

So how's your day going so far?
Oh, the usual...

PokerStars, 5 Card Draw No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players

UTG: $43.42 (174 bb)
MP (Hero): $25.00 (100 bb)
CO: $1.12 (4 bb)
BU: $40.90 (164 bb)
SB: $24.75 (99 bb)
BB: $12.58 (50 bb)

Deal: ($0.35) Hero is MP with 3♦:A♥:T♥:Q♣:A♠:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.85, CO 3-bets to $1.12 (all-in), 2 players fold, BB calls $0.87, Hero calls $0.27

Draw One: ($3.46) A♥:A♠:2♣:4♥:A♣: (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB draws 1, MP (Hero) draws 3♦:T♥:Q♣:, CO draws 1
BB bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

Total pot: $12.46 (Rake: $0.70)

Showdown:
BB shows 7♦:7♣:3♥:3♠:7♠: (a full house, Sevens full of Threes)
MP (Hero) mucks A♥:A♠:2♣:4♥:A♣: (three of a kind, Aces)
CO shows K♦:Q♥:Q♠:K♠:K♥: (a full house, Kings full of Queens)
BB wins $8.50
CO wins $3.26

Originally posted by Harrier88

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Rolled up nines in Razz? Spare me!

At least you can get out cheaply with those. The worst ones are three wheel cards that hit well on 4th street, followed by a barrage of pairs, trips and face cards.

Or like this...
PokerStars, Razz Limit - $3/$6 ($0.45 ante) - 8 players

Seat 4: $209.65 (70 bb)
Seat 5: $50.27 (17 bb)
Seat 6: $157.32 (52 bb)
Seat 7: $124.98 (42 bb)
Seat 8 (Hero): $120.00 (40 bb)
Seat 1: $186.56 (62 bb)
Seat 2: $113.41 (38 bb)
Seat 3: $168.99 (56 bb)

Third Street: ($3.60) Hero is in Seat 8
Xx Xx K♣: BI bring-in $1____BI folds
Xx Xx 4♥: UTG folds
Xx Xx 2♣: UTG+1 folds
Xx Xx 6♦: MP folds
Xx Xx 6♥: MP+1 folds
5♦:K♦:7♥: Hero raises to $3
Xx Xx J♣: CO folds
Xx Xx 6♣: BTN calls $3

Fourth Street: ($10.60) (2 players)
Xx Xx 6♣:Q♥: BTN checks
5♦:K♦:7♥:7♦: Hero checks

Fifth Street: ($10.60) (2 players)
Xx Xx 6♣:Q♥:K♠: BTN bets $6
5♦:K♦:7♥:7♦:7♠: Hero folds

Total pot: $10.60 (Rake: $0.32)
Seat 2 wins $10.28

so I might as well bet and hope opponent had an ever worse 7th street

PokerStars, Razz Limit - $3/$6 ($0.45 ante) - 5 players

Seat 4: $174.43 (58 bb)
Seat 5: $66.86 (22 bb)
Seat 7: $204.06 (68 bb)
Seat 8 (Hero): $115.70 (39 bb)
Seat 2: $68.98 (23 bb)

Third Street: ($2.25) Hero is in Seat 8
Xx Xx T♣: BI bets $3____BI folds
Xx Xx 9♥: UTG folds
Xx Xx 4♦: MP raises to $6
Xx Xx 9♦: CO folds
J♣:A♣:5♠: Hero calls $6

Fourth Street: ($17.25) (2 players)
J♣:A♣:5♠:6♥: Hero bets $3
Xx Xx 4♦:J♥: MP calls $3

Fifth Street: ($23.25) (2 players)
J♣:A♣:5♠:6♥:J♠: Hero bets $6
Xx Xx 4♦:J♥:J♦: MP calls $6

Sixth Street: ($35.25) (2 players)
J♣:A♣:5♠:6♥:J♠:6♣: Hero bets $6
Xx Xx 4♦:J♥:J♦:T♥: MP calls $6

Seventh Street: ($47.25) (2 players)
J♣:A♣:5♠:6♥:J♠:6♣:K♣: Hero bets $6
Xx Xx 4♦:J♥:J♦:T♥: Xx MP folds

Total pot: $47.25 (Rake: $1.42)
Seat 8 (Hero) wins $45.83

..

we can talk for this hand 5♦:K♦:7♥:...Is this a +EV raise or not..But there are more low cards and Aces in the deck at this stage, you show him 7, he have 6..It's weird to raise, it's better to call. What do you have, A27? Doesn't matter, he still can call, or raise...Also two 6 are shown..I think fold>call>raise...But this is questionable, this is only my opinion..You should observe the table, the players...Take you time before sit in, 10 hands for example. Just watch..

...aggro players don't bet when I want to check/raise

Opponent is extremely active playing almost 50% of hands, and playing them aggressively, and sees the flop on nearly 60% of hands, and donks the flop about 25% of the time.

888Poker, Omaha H/L Pot Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 8 players

UTG: $4.79 (96 bb)
UTG+1: $6.99 (140 bb)
MP: $1.07 (21 bb)
MP+1: $4.39 (88 bb)
CO: $3.00 (60 bb)
BU: $3.09 (62 bb)
SB (Hero): $6.66 (133 bb)
BB: $2.06 (41 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with A♣:5♥:3♠:6♣:
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, MP calls $0.05, 3 players fold, Hero calls $0.03, BB checks

Flop: ($0.20) 6♦:T♣:6♥: (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, 2 players fold

Turn: ($0.40) 6♠: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.13, Hero calls $0.13

River: ($0.66) 8♥: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Total pot: $0.66 (Rake: $0.04)

Showdown:
MP shows K♠:K♣:7♠:7♥: (HI: a full house, Sixes full of Kings)
SB (Hero) shows A♣:5♥:3♠:6♣: (HI: four of a kind, Sixes)
SB (Hero) wins $0.62

A rare experience indeed

I didn't want to put KQo up against what is either a strong Ace or a big pair.
As it turned out...
888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 1,250/2,500 (250 ante) - 8 players

UTG: 15,789 (6 bb)
UTG+1 (Hero): 48,914 (20 bb)
MP: 16,877 (7 bb)
MP+1: 51,323 (21 bb)
CO: 105,244 (42 bb)
BU: 37,627 (15 bb)
SB: 2,860 (1 bb)
BB: 15,752 (6 bb)

Pre-Flop: (5,750) Hero is UTG+1 with K♦:Q♣:
UTG raises to 15,539 (all-in), Hero calls 15,539, 1 fold, MP+1 3-bets to 51,073 (all-in), 4 players fold, Hero calls 33,125 (all-in)

Flop: (118,617) Q♠:5♦:3♣: (3 players, 3 all-in)

Turn: (118,617) K♣: (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (118,617) 8♣: (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: 118,617

Showdown:
MP+1 shows T♣:T♠: (a pair of Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 43%, Flop: 8%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

UTG shows Q♦:A♦: (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 37%, Flop: 79%, Turn: 7%, River: 0%)

UTG+1 (Hero) shows K♦:Q♣: (two pair, Kings and Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 20%, Flop: 13%, Turn: 88%, River: 100%)

UTG+1 (Hero) wins 118,617

Good ol' misclick equity.

Moments previously I had been dealt AA44x and was called by BB who drew three. A few BB went in post-draw, and he showed down AA66x

PokerStars, 5 Card Draw No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players

UTG: $14.44 (58 bb)
MP: $9.65 (39 bb)
CO: $30.26 (121 bb)
BU: $13.25 (53 bb)
SB: $17.34 (69 bb)
BB (Hero): $25.00 (100 bb)

Deal: ($0.35) Hero is BB with J♥:A♠:J♠:A♣:J♣:
4 players fold, SB raises to $0.75, Hero 3-bets to $2.25, SB 4-bets to $5.25, Hero 5-bets to $25 (all-in), SB calls $12.09 (all-in)

Draw One: ($42.34) J♥:A♠:J♠:A♣:J♣: (2 players, 2 all-in)
SB draws 2, BB (Hero) stands pat

Total pot: $34.68 (Rake: $1.56)

Showdown:
BB (Hero) shows J♥:A♠:J♠:A♣:J♣: (a full house, Jacks full of Aces)
SB shows Q♥:Q♣:Q♠:3♦:8♥: (three of a kind, Queens)
BB (Hero) wins $33.12

5card draw is very close to pure gambling. You should play limit 5card draw..Like the other games, if there is a "limit", then you can find a edge. Imagine pot limit or no limit Badugi..Or triple draw..Or stud...I did play those with pot limit. It's insane..
Still you can play pot limit Badugi...If we talk about "unconventional" formats, Badugi is the best. The fishes have very little chance to improve their hands..It's like a "suicide" You can say the same for 5 card draw. But how often you will have strong hand pre draw!? For limit 5 card draw you can use a "strategy", for no limit not really..You are just hoping for some insane person..On your table..Must be at least "pot limit", I think..Imagine singe draw "no limit". I did play that as well :f_biggrin:. It's crazy..How you catch a bluff there!? Talking with the stars..And vs strong hand very often you will be underdog, it's complete random..No edge ..Or not enough..You play online and you pay a rake..

Originally posted by NoNameHypo
5card draw is very close to pure gambling. You should play limit 5card draw..Like the other games, if there is a "limit", then you can find a edge. Imagine pot limit or no limit Badugi..Or triple draw..Or stud...I did play those with pot limit. It's insane..

Funny you should mention limit 5-Card Draw. I built my PokerStars bankroll with that game. The problem is that it rarely runs these days.
Triple draw has been good to me. The only big tournament I ever won outright was a MicroMillions 2-7 triple draw. I had only been streaming a month or so when that happened.
I frequently play the daily pot-limit Badugi PKO.

I play stud, stud8 and razz but not really enough.

My favourite limit game is Omaha hi/lo, but again, it doesn't run that often.

..

Originally posted by NoNameHypo
You should try OFCP..Pineapple..So much fun.

I did for a while. It runs on a bitcoin only site.
I even got a book on it called "No Mercy".
Sadly, I didn't enjoy the game much.

My brother is in hospital, my lawn mower is in need of repair, my back deck needs cleaning.

My friend, said, "Cheer up Vorpal, things could be worse".
So I cheered up.
And sure enough, things got worse.

That sounds nasty. Hopefully nothing too serious with your brother?

Originally posted by Harrier88
That sounds nasty. Hopefully nothing too serious with your brother?

Well, yes, it is.
He has MS, and has been deteriorating for several years.
They're not sure whether his current trouble is related to MS or not, but he's at the stage where he is continually weak.

Oh dear...

Best wishes to him.

Oh no. So sorry to hear that, Vorpal. All the best to your brother!