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Straight facing river all-in and folding

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Dragar
Joined: 09.09.2008

GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players
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1b7010a4 (UTG): $42.43 (170 bb)
Hero (MP): $39.26 (157 bb)
7dccdeae (CO): $29.97 (120 bb)
8291e0d1 (BU): $77.68 (311 bb)
ec8ba910 (SB): $39.41 (158 bb)
f101d4a8 (BB): $25.37 (101 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero (Hero) is MP with J K
1b7010a4 (UTG) raises to $0.50, Hero (MP) calls $0.50, 3 players fold, f101d4a8 (BB) calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.60) 7 8 T (3 players)
f101d4a8 (BB) checks, 1b7010a4 (UTG) checks, Hero (MP) checks

Turn: ($1.60) 9 (3 players)
f101d4a8 (BB) checks, 1b7010a4 (UTG) checks, Hero (MP) bets $1.06, f101d4a8 (BB) raises to $3.90, 1b7010a4 (UTG) folds, Hero (MP) calls $2.84

River: ($9.40) 4 (2 players)
f101d4a8 (BB) bets $20.97 (all-in), Hero (MP) folds

We are surely beat here or?
It's a bit sick because I block flush and bigger straight somewhat. Was tempting to call but not sure about this spot.


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Your play is terrible here.

We are surely beat here or?

This question clearly indicates that you have no idea what are you doing and most importantly why are you doing it. In other words you are just clicking buttons. To make it worse you are completly unprepared of how are you going to play on the further streets. I suggest you to start reason you actions at the poker table..

Nobody could answer this question. Everybody will tell you that's V dependant.

As for the hand. You choose to call V's raise OTT witch is questionable for a few reasons. It's a multiway pot and he has a player behind to act witch makes it less likely that he is bluffing and his play is tricky.. My opinion is that you are up against strong or very strong hand. In this case the best you could hope is a split pot

All in all i am toward folding OTT and find a better spot.

Calling OTT makes you obliged to call OTR. I dont see a point to call OTT and then fold on a brick river


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Dragar
Joined: 09.09.2008

Ok because you are pretty passive aggressive and can't figure out my action without me explaining it:

Flop standard (atleast I hope I don't have to explain it,)

Turn I have the flush redraw and I am blocking QJ. UTG is irrelevant already because if he has anything he won't be check twice, SB knows this and can c/r a wider range than flush, so he can c/r combos with one heart to maximise fold equity.

This is a river decision overall because sb will c/r a range that is wider than what has us beat.

My question is if he is capable of bluffing shoving the river or if he puts me on straight and value shoves. We are not obliged to call river here just because we call turn.


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My question is if he is capable of bluffing shoving the river or if he puts me on straight and value shoves.

You should answer this question before you call OTT, not OTR.

We are not obliged to call river here just because we call turn.

Unless you are putting your opponent on a flush and gamble to hit your flush you are obliged to call OTR. Because changes nothing. If you are good OTT, you will be OTR as well. If not then fold OTT. Calling OTT and then folding on meaningless river is burining money.

I have a question: why do you call OTT?


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Fold KJo on HJ vs UTG preflop. I can't remember the last time I 3bet that hand on HJ vs UTG.

As played, this is a clear fold because BB has a ton of SC in his range.


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Dragar
Joined: 09.09.2008

Good point KJo Vs UTG pre flop. It's a bit lose but I did notice population raising utg a bit wide as well, think I should be more careful though.

I call turn to call most rivers actually because of my blockers. I did not expect a 2x pot bet and honestly I did not think of that scenario.... I was expecting villain to check river a decent amount of time as well.

Maybe my turn line thinking is not correct as my preflop was to wide as well.

I will tighten a bit more preflop.
Also I am pretty aware that hitting a K or J on dry flop is maybe not the best Vs UTG, but as preflop raise was low I called preflop here. This may not be correct though as I would not 3-bet this hand.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Pre-flop would be a fold, but if I would play KJo I would 3bet it. KJo hasn't much playabillity post-flop and with calling you have a decent change you play multi way. On the turn with the flush blocker I would consider to 3bet and re-evaluete on further action for value. If you face a 4bet jam you have a nasty spot, but I don't think villain has to often the A♥: in his/her hand after just calling the min raise pre-flop.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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