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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

GG Poker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 112.56 BB
SB: 99 BB
BB: 110.68 BB
UTG: 119.24 BB
MP: 116.16 BB
CO: 97.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♦ J♥

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, BB raises to 9.2 BB, Hero calls 7.2 BB

Flop: (18.8 BB, 2 players) 2♠ 8♥ 4♥
BB bets 10.36 BB, Hero calls 10.36 BB

Turn: (39.52 BB, 2 players) J♣
BB bets 21.76 BB, Hero calls 21.76 BB

River: (83.04 BB, 2 players) 3♣
BB bets 69.36 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 69.36 BB

Spoiler

BB shows 9♥ K♥ (High Card, King)
(Pre 39%, Flop 51%, Turn 25%)
Hero shows A♦ J♥ (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 61%, Flop 49%, Turn 75%)
Hero wins 217.28 BB

So this Dutch player is usually always on top of the 25NL RC C$ points leaderboard.

I wrote down his stats, 12/10/ATS: 36% 3BET: 33% 2,373 hands

So this player doesn't steal much but 3bets the crap out of population.

He might show me QQ at SD but I felt like this is worth calling down.

Thoughts?


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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

Is this :
VPIP 12
PFR 10
ATS 36
3BET 33
Hands 2373

Something wrong here...How this even possible?


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by NoNameHypo
Is this :
VPIP 12
PFR 10
ATS 36
3BET 33
Hands 2373

Something wrong here...How this even possible?

You got that exactly right. Insane looking stats no? But it's correct. I have proof. I downloaded the stats tag with name on it.

Edit: typo


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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

Whatever...I talked with a mate about GG and he said "you should bet and raise more for this leaderboard, for the points. That's why some people use min bet and min raise". I don't know if this is a truth or "still a truth", but if so then you should expect a lot of aggression from this guy. Fine by me, but call OTF is too much for me...I understand it, but still too much...


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

For ethical reasons, I blotted out his name but here it is. Every time you click it, it updates with more stats.


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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

It's "green", the 3bet...It's some "different system", I can't understand it...I used PT, HM, H2N, but there are only 3bet (overall) and "normal" 3bet (without cold 3bet)...And 32% will be a lot, insane...Some misunderstanding here...Whatever...


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by NoNameHypo
It's "green", the 3bet...It's some "different system", I can't understand it...I used PT, HM, H2N, but there are only 3bet (overall) and "normal" 3bet (without cold 3bet)...And 32% will be a lot, insane...Some misunderstanding here...Whatever...

There is no misunderstanding. This reg 3bets pre more than anyone in the field and he plays the longest sessions.


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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

Mate, how the fck he have 32% 3bet and he have only 10 PFR? Can be possible, if he limp-3bet, but VPIP will be high. That I can't understand...12/10/32, I never saw this. even something close to this...


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PfarrerSensemann
Joined: 16.08.2017

Ahoi, even this Post was a bit older, but I had the same question and asked the GG-Support:
(Answer was translated from German to English)

Preflopraise (PFR) and 3BET are independent statistics.

PFR counts every hand in which a player had the opportunity to make the first raise.

3Bet counts every hand in which a player had the opportunity to raise a first raise again.

It is therefore possible to have a PFR of 0 and a 3BET value of 100.

If you have any further questions, do not hesitate to contact us again.

And yes: even at NL10 are tons of players with nearly the same Stats: 12/11/36/33 (VPIP/PFR/Steal/3Bet) and all of them plays tons of Hands and seems to be „always on“
And of course all are from Russia or China.
Maybe some Rakeback/Leaderboard-Bots?
Who knows…
Greetings

PS
What should we do against these guys?
If they are on our right side, we should tighten our Opening-Range quite a bit.
Most of our smallish +EV Opens suddenly becomes -EV
And counter with few more Light-4Bets and add a few more Value 4Bets. And call (mostly in Position) some more Hands wich would normally be a fold.
But OOP our counter Strat should be to 4 Bet more aggressive.
I have a feeling (no hard numbers because of anonymous Opponents in Hand Histories) that these Guys folds a Lot against 4Bets.
Maybe I have always to take a Note when I 4Bet or see someone else 4Bet such a Player.


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

I saw this at the 2nl rush tables, I would 4 bet hands that I would 3 bet for value, AJ+ KQ+, I only played a few sessions, but it was the most I've ever had to do 4 bet bluffing, I got mostly folds. The funny thing is, whenever I had KK they always had AA :mdr:
Rush has way more 3 betting than the "regular" tables, 16% and more seems to be a normal 3 bet at rush.


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