A3s 4bet pot

Fold.

If V spazzes post flop then isn't flatting the 3 bet a better option since we are IP?

Originally posted by jiffybag
If V spazzes post flop then isn't flatting the 3 bet a better option since we are IP?

Yes but not this hand I think. A8s+ would be a better choice just because Im more happy to bluff catch him with better kickers
He 3bets every single Ax and fire 3 barrels no matter what

He 3bets every single Ax and fire 3 barrels no matter what

Witch proves that jiffybag is correct. Flatting IP is much more profitable against such a players. Actually it's pretty good idea to stop 4beting them and start flatting your top range as well.

You have almost no FE so 4betting such a hands unnecessary pump the variance.

Originally posted by NapoleonBonaparte135

He 3bets every single Ax and fire 3 barrels no matter what

Witch proves that jiffybag is correct. Flatting IP is much more profitable against such a players. Actually it's pretty good idea to stop 4beting them and start flatting your top range as well.

So basically you do not want to dominate him when theres Ace on the board? Another thing he fold to 4bets a lot as well

So basically you do not want to dominate him when theres Ace on the board?

If he 3bets every Ax he will 3bet worse and 3barrel worse. Dont assume that he will always has stronger Ax hand. Against such a player your Ax hand will be good most of the time. Yes he will turn over stronger A from time to time but you will be compensated

I dont assume he will always have better Ax. I want to dominate his range instead of having wide calling range and getting into tough spots postflop. Thats why i think A5-A2s are better 4bet candidatEs.
Even if he calls we have ace blocker + some good textures for semi-bluff but most of the time its just auto-profit
Maybe Im wrong

Maybe Im wrong

Yes you are. It's because with 4bet you chase off his bluffs and loose 3 streets of value. 4bet will be more profitable against a player who:

1) Folds too often against 4bets
2) Is not aggressive postflop and bets mostly when he has it.

Allright. Thanks for the lesson

Here is the result

Flop: ($1.10, 2 players) 4♠ 6♥ 5♦
SB checks, Hero bets $0.42, SB calls $0.42

Turn: ($1.94, 2 players) Q♣
SB bets $1.56 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.22 and is all-in

River: ($4.38, 2 players) 4♣

SB shows 7♦ K♦ (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 42%, Flop 39%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows A♣ 3♣ (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 58%, Flop 61%, Turn 77%)
Hero wins $4.23

SB very agressive stealer and postflop spazzer

Say "whale" next time.

I still don't like this play. You got lucky

Next time Hero sees something like K4s. He called out of odds.

I dont like to simplify this much

I think we both spazzed here but also out of curiousity tell me how Do You see his range on the turn ? And what hands you calling this with

Originally posted by Krris
I dont like to simplify this much

I think we both spazzed here but also out of curiousity tell me how Do You see his range on the turn ? And what hands you calling this with

V is 'whale' so suited connectors are a big part of range, I'd prefer A8s, so I block the top str8 if I plan on hero calling. I also see V holding a pair ott not necessarily tp, but you said V 3 bets any Ax so any pair V made on flop A4 A5 A6 and turning into bluff now, and V has draws ott, nuts and air. I don't want to call with this hand - rather shove flop, to call I'd need a pair, any pair on that flop in case we up against a better A with better kicker. Obvs depends on how tilted I am from the whale sucking out on me in hands before