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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Again 2 unlucky hands, but that's part of the game I'm afraid.
The variance in those huge field MTT's are a lot higher if you compare it with MTT's with less players in it.


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

We have too many times unlucky, how can something win good with this sharade? Too hard on one/two tournaments don't get unlucky hands and take high place on tournament. And with small hands when we get action we must win with strong hands. Luckers has too many winning total in history games.


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

And again:
PokerStars, $1.40 + $0.10 - Hold'em No Limit - 350/700 (70 ante) - 7 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/325hDuPlc/r

UTG: 10,000 (14 bb)
MP: 9,940 (14 bb)
MP+1: 10,000 (14 bb)
CO: 10,570 (15 bb)
BU: 48,934 (70 bb)
SB (Hero): 14,430 (21 bb)
BB: 32,195 (46 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,540) Hero is SB with Q♥ A♦
UTG calls 700, 4 players fold, Hero raises to 14,360 (all-in), 1 fold, UTG calls 9,230 (all-in)

Flop: (21,050) 9♣ J♠ 2♣ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (21,050) 5♠ (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (21,050) 4♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 21,050

Showdown:
SB (Hero) shows Q♥ A♦ (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 60%, Flop: 22%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

UTG shows J♥ T♥ (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 40%, Flop: 78%, Turn: 86%, River: 100%)

UTG wins 21,050

PokerStars, $1.40 + $0.10 - Hold'em No Limit - 350/700 (70 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/325hDv4R1/r

UTG: 11,900 (17 bb)
UTG+1: 48,654 (70 bb)
MP (Hero): 4,220 (6 bb)
MP+1: 30,865 (44 bb)
CO: 22,800 (33 bb)
BU: 7,210 (10 bb)
SB: 9,090 (13 bb)
BB: 11,330 (16 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,610) Hero is MP with A♠ 3♠
2 players fold, Hero raises to 4,150 (all-in), 1 fold, CO calls 4,150, 3 players fold

Flop: (9,910) 9♠ 4♥ 8♦ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (9,910) 3♦ (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (9,910) K♠ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 9,910

Showdown:
MP (Hero) shows A♠ 3♠ (a pair of Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 56%, Flop: 70%, Turn: 86%, River: 0%)

CO shows T♥ K♥ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 44%, Flop: 30%, Turn: 14%, River: 100%)

CO wins 9,910


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

2 unlucky hands indeed. First hand It's bad for villain to limp/call with JTs.
2nd hand I would most likely call a 6bb shove with KTs as well from the CO.


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fuzzyferret
Joined: 29.12.2010

Variance sucks that's for sure. Play some smaller field tourneys with good structures to lower variance


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by fuzzyferret
Variance sucks that's for sure. Play some smaller field tourneys with good structures to lower variance

That sounds like a good idea for sure :f_thumbsup:


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

Exclusive limper must win with this * he can't fold so I push here:

PokerStars, $0.49 + $0.06 - Hold'em No Limit - 100/200 (30 ante) - 7 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/125hLAolU/r

UTG: 10,521 (53 bb)
MP: 11,475 (57 bb)
MP+1: 4,550 (23 bb)
CO (Hero): 14,230 (71 bb)
BU: 3,322 (17 bb)
SB: 10,805 (54 bb)
BB: 9,517 (48 bb)

Pre-Flop: (510) Hero is CO with K♦ A♥
UTG calls 200, 2 players fold, Hero raises to 800, BTN 3-bets to 1,400, 1 fold, BB calls 1,200, 1 fold, Hero 4-bets to 14,200 (all-in), BTN calls 1,892 (all-in), BB calls 8,087 (all-in)

Flop: (22,776) T♠ 2♣ 3♣ (3 players, 3 all-in)

Turn: (22,776) K♣ (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (22,776) 4♠ (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: 22,776

Showdown:
CO (Hero) shows K♦ A♥ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 39%, Flop: 22%, Turn: 69%, River: 0%)

BU shows 9♥ 9♦ (a pair of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 54%, Turn: 2%, River: 0%)

BB shows 5♣ 6♠ (a straight, Two to Six)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 20%, Flop: 23%, Turn: 29%, River: 100%)

BB wins 22,776

Variance is **


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Nasty outcome, but well played. At the micro's this will happen often. On long term this would work well against villains like that.


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

Thanks GGPoker for promote this fish again easy fold with weak KTo should be but not and must get lucky. For me on last ten times only one I win coin flip but fish very often must get lucky!


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

It look like on micro Stakes mtt , the preflop play is more important Than postflop play. You put it in so often ahead .


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

And often I lose preflop when I have ahead so I disagree with sentence that good if we play with this players. No because on microstakes mtt enough one hand like ahead and we go out. To get good prize pool we must win every this hand. If we don't get enough value hands we must take coin flip in one moment. So on ggp player like here with this KTo win 3k $ or more I only 300$ (play something beetwen 500-600 tournaments on microstakes, 20-22% times in money total).


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

20-22 % in large field is over average . GG


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Indeed. Most of the time it's around 19% if I'm right, but not played to many MTT's the last couple of years.
The QQ hand is a easy stack off and the call with KTo is pretty loose.


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

And for what that good percent when more of this is small prize. For example when I win ticket to 109$ tournament and I win 75$ from bounty how many tournaments I must play to win this profit? In total on the worst poker room I have 200$ profit (prize - entries). Must play some beetwen 150-200 tournaments!!! If I try play good it will consequence that I have more good decision than bad and more. And again unlucky spot when I got trips on turn and Russian call big bet on paired board with nut flush draw (should fold this!) and get fuc****** lucky flush on the river!!! No reason to defend lucky limpers/fishes!!!!


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

Player which win on second hand three times win with worse hand on all in preflop and build big stack, I lose two hands when I am favourite and go out that is sad reality micro tournaments, unfair game and very hard to make profit.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by aleasy77
And for what that good percent when more of this is small prize. For example when I win ticket to 109$ tournament and I win 75$ from bounty how many tournaments I must play to win this profit? In total on the worst poker room I have 200$ profit (prize - entries). Must play some beetwen 150-200 tournaments!!! If I try play good it will consequence that I have more good decision than bad and more. And again unlucky spot when I got trips on turn and Russian call big bet on paired board with nut flush draw (should fold this!) and get fuc****** lucky flush on the river!!! No reason to defend lucky limpers/fishes!!!!

If you want to kill the variance you need to play way more than 200 tournaments. It's at least 2k and even that is low I think.


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

Originally posted by SDK1987

Originally posted by aleasy77
And for what that good percent when more of this is small prize. For example when I win ticket to 109$ tournament and I win 75$ from bounty how many tournaments I must play to win this profit? In total on the worst poker room I have 200$ profit (prize - entries). Must play some beetwen 150-200 tournaments!!! If I try play good it will consequence that I have more good decision than bad and more. And again unlucky spot when I got trips on turn and Russian call big bet on paired board with nut flush draw (should fold this!) and get fuc****** lucky flush on the river!!! No reason to defend lucky limpers/fishes!!!!

If you want to kill the variance you need to play way more than 200 tournaments. It's at least 2k and even that is low I think.

This is example and everybody knows how long must Play tournaments and after two-three hours game when You got finally to stage in the money, prizes are very small and must get good run/hands for the next two-three hours to get on final table.
Main points is more profit is on microstakes cash games than tournaments.
How long must play 2k tournaments on microstakes and how profit can het on microstakes cash games from this time total.


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

I think there are more money in tournaments than cash games. You need more standing in tournamnets


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

Originally posted by regie
I think there are more money in tournaments than cash games. You need more standing in tournamnets

On microstakes in the same time if You Play for example 1k hours tournaments and 1k hours cash games You have better results on second option. And on cash games there is no very high variance than tournaments.

Some hands from today


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

And example from last tournament, have 10bb push all in preflop with 88 and must get call by better hand

Again bad runnout because call from better hands must lose, call by worse hand, opponents get often lucky. Too hard get some good value hands on tournaments (can't only bluff on microstakes!)


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