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PLO50 9876ss 3bet pot, turn weak flush into bluff?

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Villain is solid reg who is capable of some big bluffs. Preflop and flop is obviously mandatory calls.

Turn is basically call as well when we have flush and two pairs. Not that happy about the spot though.

River is interesting as it pairs top card which means most of my non flush hands improved to boat now. So one question in my mind was what is bottom of my range at this point? I dont really see much worse than what I have now with 5th nut flush. GTO wise we probably do have some 6543 with diamond or similar. Maybe some KQJT with one diamond. But those type of hands are rare in my range at least and I would probably end up folding turn with those KQJT type one pair stuff.

So second question is does it make sense to turn flush into bluff? Versus thinking player we should get lot of credit imo as its kind of tough to even think of potential bluff combos that continue to river and most players dont turn flush into bluff. We do also beat bluffs anyway so maybe bluffing is just plain stupid. But as mentioned above not sure if I really come to river with less than flush that could be air on this top card pairing river.

In river we have 40€ behind.

Game #1997770063: Table €50 PL - 0.25/0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha - 15:56:25 2023/12/06
Seated players
Seat 1: Jonnaae (€106.30)
Seat 2: Sergio62 (€50) (sitting out)
Seat 3: k_haukka (€62.62)
Seat 4: Sad7urn (€58.20)
Seat 5: gelaga (€106.21)
Blinds and button
Jonnaae has the button
k_haukka posts small blind €0.25
Sad7urn posts big blind €0.50
Hole cards
Dealt to Jonnaae 6♠:9♦:8♥:7♦:
Preflop
gelaga folds
Jonnaae raises €1.75 to €1.75
k_haukka raises €5.50 to €5.75
Sad7urn folds
Jonnaae calls €4
Flop 6♦:3♦:K♦: (12€)
k_haukka bets €4
Jonnaae calls €4
Turn 9♣: (20€)
k_haukka bets €12.50
Jonnaae calls €12.50
River K♠: (45€)
k_haukka checks
Jonnaae?


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

Check I believe. There is no more Velue in a Bet so he check calls worse a full hause but with Broadway flush.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Idea of river shove is to get better flushes to fold. This guy seems to be solid reg on these limits so I was thinking he might be good enough to fold high flush without boat blockers. Does it make sense to bluff with flush is another question though.

But we don't beat any of villain turn value range and it's actually very hard to have hand without flush or boat at this river. Only ones could be like 6543 or KQJT with one diamond that I might be sticky enough to call turn barrel. That is also with strong emphasis on "might".

So when villain think what is my value range (boats and potentially nut flush) and what are my bluffs (most people don't turn any flushes into bluff). Conclusion should be nut flush is bluff catcher on very heavily underbluffed spot.

Not line I would seriously think without solid read on opponent being good.


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

Sometimes push is ok but most of the time it should be check. Calculate % how often shove and check so look like GTO


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BunBun00
Joined: 13.09.2023

I remember asking about very similar spot some time ago. It was ep vs bu, I x/c flop and turn with 3rd nut and 2PR and the river paired the TP. I wanted to shove as oop mostly to fold out better flushes but also because I'm oop. Double barreling means nf/2nd and bluffs, so both hands should have similar showdown value. Anyway in my case it went x/x and he had the nf. I can't answer because I am still unsure about the situation. Him being solid could make him fold, but also if he has the board blockers he might sniff it out. But isn't more likely that it's a naked flush than flush with board blocker?


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