[Closed] nl200 FR QQ

you reckon he hit a set?

AF=2 and check/raise 7% in full ring, I think your QQ are behind on the flop most of the time.

He hasn't the style to raise his draws or in bluff on the flop, and he will rarely raise AT or KT in this spot (depends of your image).
Maybe sometimes JJ....

Is it too weak to fold the flop again such player ?

Played like you, it's an obvious fold river.

Originally posted by Maxippouce
AF=2 and check/raise 7% in full ring, I think your QQ are behind on the flop most of the time.

He hasn't the style to raise his draws or in bluff on the flop, and he will rarely raise AT or KT in this spot (depends of your image).
Maybe sometimes JJ....

Is it too weak to fold the flop again such player ?

Played like you, it's an obvious fold river.

yea river is a fold. I think we cant really fold on the flop? or can we? It seems too weak but i think we should fold turn? Although its a small bet it improves some 98 hands that he could have c/r flop with and by continueing his aggression it seems we are already beat so should i fold turn?

AF=2?

Looks like a set, I fold turn since he isnt bluffing twice oop imo

When you just call his raise on flop and his turn bet, he prob puts you on pot control or a draw(since you don't protect), neither of which can call his river shove.

why call flop to fold turn on a card that doesn't change anything (he has rarely a 8) ?

Originally posted by Maxippouce
why call flop to fold turn on a card that doesn't change anything (he has rarely a 8) ?

He might semibluff-raise a draw on the flop, but I doubt AF=2 does this. He rarely is semibluffing the turn after our call either imo.

It looks like we are beat on the flop but I don't know if its +EV to make sure by seeing what he does on the turn.

I could imagine a range like this for this kind of player to check/raise the flop:

9J,88,77,TT,87,A:s9:s,K9,5:s6:s,A:sT:s,K:sQ:s

(more or less, I think it's a good range with some draws to be realistic)

you have an equity of 30% (and it's optimistic I think because of his c/r % et his AF)

(ps: it's 8% more than if you have a middle paire and you expect to have a three of a kind or double paire.)

So, seriously I wonder if we can't fold on the flop against such player because often we will fold on any card on the turn.

If we don't fold on the flop, so I don't see a reason to fold on this turn (the 8) with an half pot bet (that could be a blocking bet to avoid to check).

(it's just a question I wonder often)

If he´s just bluffing the flop most of the time hes going to check the turn, dont. That doesnt make the call on the flop good by itself? If we think he wouldnt bluff again on the turn I think we could fold, because now we are sure we are beat. But obviously, the question is: can he semi bluff us until the river or not?

easy b/f on flop vs such plr imo.. 7% c/r on flop? thats not even all his sets!?

even if he has a strong draw himself or pair+ dr we are just about flipping and are far behind sets/ 2p hands.. we re put into diff decisions on later streets, which is rly unnecessary

whats his general Aggression Frequency by the way? 20 to 30% I'm guessing on each street. (imo this means he's not particularly capable of making this move as a bluff)

Originally posted by TheLastNail
easy b/f on flop vs such plr imo.. 7% c/r on flop? thats not even all his sets!?

even if he has a strong draw himself or pair+ dr we are just about flipping and are far behind sets/ 2p hands.. we re put into diff decisions on later streets, which is rly unnecessary

this!!!!! realy!!!!

As played it doesn't make sense to call twice but fold on the river. But eqasy fold flop anyway.

Best regards,
TribunCaesar

Originally posted by TribunCaesar

Originally posted by TheLastNail
easy b/f on flop vs such plr imo.. 7% c/r on flop? thats not even all his sets!?

even if he has a strong draw himself or pair+ dr we are just about flipping and are far behind sets/ 2p hands.. we re put into diff decisions on later streets, which is rly unnecessary

this!!!!! realy!!!!

As played it doesn't make sense to call twice but fold on the river. But eqasy fold flop anyway.

Best regards,
TribunCaesar

right, what if he knows we know he rarely check raises and on the heavy draw board he decides to bluff?

If this player knows what leveling is, would we know that he knows that? Would he furthermore know that knowing that means that we have to know that betting here makes ense because he knows that we know he is rarely bluffing and therefore might bluff here and we gonna cathc his bluff.

you can turn it around in many ways.... I don't think a standrd player on Nl200 fr knows what leveling is.

Originally posted by TribunCaesar
If this player knows what leveling is, would we know that he knows that? Would he furthermore know that knowing that means that we have to know that betting here makes ense because he knows that we know he is rarely bluffing and therefore might bluff here and we gonna cathc his bluff.

you can turn it around in many ways.... I don't think a standrd player on Nl200 fr knows what leveling is.

oh, perhaps i gave too much credit to this limit.

would abc poker be good enough to beat 200nl?