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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

Originally posted by ghaleon
You have typo in typing your suits. AA with nfd is definitely ahead in equity versus wrap... Anyway with that hand I would use half pot. Point is our hand is basically good enough to still stack off on straightening cards as we have so much equity versus straight as well.

Ah, I see, typed 6♦:A♥:A♠:4♠:, probably need new classes. Thats why I was so surprized seeing Equlabs results and confused from turn EV only about 20% (correct about 40) when put some of villains possible outs there :rolleyes: Many PLO2 players would have called small bet with that hand and at turn is difficult to make them fold draw if preflop raiser didn't show enough strenght on flop.

Anyway during hand I saw hands strenght correctly that I will have about 40% at turn if some of possible straighth out comes. Was planning to bet half but changed it to pot because recently lost big pot betting half and villain called with bottom pair and gs which became oesd at turn and second fd opened and he called pot and won at SD with straight. Maybe also some influence had SBs name "bluffmaster" written in some funny way and I remembered seeing from him strange bet sizes and shoves and bet pot. CO folded (he had show mucked hands on so I saw it after SD, he would have won with T♣:T♠:9♠:6♠ :) Many PLO2 players would have called small bet with that hand and at turn is difficult to make them fold draw if preflop raiser didn't show enough strenght on flop and lower straight would have been nuts for them.

"Bluffmaster thinking:" he is trying to bluff me with something like J8xx or air, I will raise only half to show him that I have nuts
Hero: Ofcourse I'm trying to bluff you, I'll shove with my crappy hand, let's go
"Bluffmaster": now I'm sure he is bluffing, I call

Turn Q♦: river 9♦:

Final Board: J♥: A♣: 8♥: Q♦: 9♦:

Hero shows A♠: A♥: 6♥: 4♠:: (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 65%, Flop 99%, Turn 100%)

SB shows J♦: A♦: 5♥: 3♥:: (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Pre 35%, Flop 1%, Turn 0%)

CO shows T♠: T♥: 6♠: 9♠:: (Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 0%)

Hero wins


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Preflop opening ranges are the easiest part of PLO. The good old practising system https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=431398 is still relevant, as the opening ranges of old PokerJuice ranges are almost the same as solver ranges.


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

Today and yesterday I have trained a lot with PLO Mastermind. Good impovment in results but I still won't 3bet and open at EP and MP so much as it wants when playing=)

Have been playing at Pokerstars PLO2 Zoom with special attention to CO opening and 3betting and 3betting at BU, SB and BB, Deck was quite hot for that.

There is lot of aggressive regulars 3betting 15% and over, always cbet pot and go all in with weak oesd or fd only when x-raised on flop. Had own hands with set or Top2 with support and followed lot of hands were they donated money to calling stations.

When 3betted from postion they always call and x-r with oesd or weak fd only generationg lot of FE against weak players. Good example about that:


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

I heard this from one YT video but apparently hud in GG rush works in stupid fashion. When player use the quick fold it won't count situation into 3bet statistic. Making 3bet stat to show way higher than it should be. I would imagine this doesn't affect trackers or perhaps other sites that might have in build huds.

Just came to mind from mentioning those high 3bet stats.


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

Those high 3bet stats that I mentioned in my latest post are from Pokerstars with HM3 HUD. I took one example where enough hands to see that levels are correct, here 3bet 14.

But yes, GGpokers inbuildt HUD can't be trusted always for sure, they look often weird. I play against regs based on my color codes and reads/notes I have given to them and huds stats if it shows at least hunders of hands. Other players stats shown are based on hands during his session without defining what they count as session. I play mostly short sessions from minutes to 30min, cash-out stack from table when have close to 200bb and join again if not time for break. If I leave client open and continue after 1h is it still same session for stats? Or if I close client and continue after one hour is it counted to same session, probably not?

This stone-guy is probably playing already hours in his session so his stats maybe quite reliable.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Yeah 14% is way too high. This probably require quite a bit of overplay from some Axxxss with high/medium side cards, ss rundowns and possibly some big pockets or just overvaluing ds combos. Its not that uncommon in general to see something like lets say MP open, BU call and BB squeeze JT98ss. This is just too wide and kinda spewy stuff.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

And some regs see from videos that solver 3bet Q976 type of "crap" with lower frequency, and just start to 3bet those kind of hands with high frequency.


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

I browsed through about 100 Pokerstars opponents with 1000+ common hands. I found only one whose PFR is increasing evenly from EP 10 to BTN 30, but dropping at SB to 10. Most of opponents have quite flat PFR% from EP to SB and mostly decreasing than increasing.

That 38/30/14 guy (3600 common hands) is 3betting evenly at any position. Biggest % at MP what is typical for active 3betters, for many aggros it's double compared to other positions.


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

May ended with - at GG and about 0 at Pokerstars. Positive is that in both last weeks curve was going up. Thanks to luckboxings in daily flipouts and one BB participant prize +65$, daily Leaderboard +35$ and 35% RB +18$ bankroll increased.

Plan for June-mid September is to play much less but better and concentrate to other activities in Finnish summer.

Spoiler


And maybe sometimes:f_drink:


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PokerSpass
Joined: 05.02.2006

Enjoy the summer :f_drink:


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

Yesterday months first GG-sessions. 903 hands, +19,5bb/100.

2 days mostly at Pokerstars on my "training field". It's very challenging to try to play normal poker there againts maniacs and gamblers. Typical 3way AI against preflop maniac and gambler.


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

Today 1200 hands PLO2 RnC, -0,7 bin. One big mistake took one bin and putting 3better to random AA another when had 3 pairs, fd+bdfd+gs on flop and villain had top 2 and better draws.

During last rounds almost stone BB squeezed with A♦:K♠:K♥:4♥: my CO opening A♥:A♠:7♥:3♣: and BTNs' call who folded to my 4bet but BB shoved. On paired turn 85% but had bad feeling about villains gs and 2 K-outs and made cash out and was happy after river K. Stone probably multitabling and looking wrong 4 as A:)


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

One hand from yesterday was quite funny. EP preflop-maniac opens, unknown high VPIP MP calls and hero also.

Flop not ideal with top 2 sets but still thinking to x-r against those guys. On turn typical beginners mistake donking because had nuts on flop and others checked it also (actually it works quite well because usually those guys bet flop with any hit or draws). EP fold, MP raise presenting straight but it smelled like a bluff and I called. Nice river and I checked...

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River: ($1.00, 2 players) K♥:
Hero checks, MP bets $1.00, Hero raises to $1.56 and is all-in, MP calls $0.08 and is all-in

Results: $3.16 pot ($0.06 rake)
Final Board: K♦: 6♠: 5♦: 9♣: K♥:

Hero shows 6♣: K♣: 6♦: K♠:: (Four of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 72%, Flop 81%, Turn 89%)

MP shows 3♥: 9♠: 8♠: 8♥:: (Two Pair, Kings and Nines)
(Pre 28%, Flop 19%, Turn 11%)

UTG showed his hand also
UTG shows 8♣: 8♦: T♠: A♣:: (Two Pair, Kings and Eights)
(Pre 0%)

Hero wins $3.07

Spoiler

And I didn't play all night, woke up 5:30am it's 9am here now


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

99% when you flop K-high flush somebody has A-high. Why not this time ? +20c cash-drop hand, I opened normal 3,5bb CO call and preflop maniac BU 3bet pot. Normally those cash-drop hands are grazy min 4ways and everybody shoves on flop with any hits:f_cry:


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

Time to reduce time spent for playing for rest of June. 4700 hands RnC PLO2 and 530 normal PLO 2 in June until now. Winrate 13bb/100 including bad and good sessions. Last session was really nice, better not to play more today:] I'm quite happy with my RFI per position in this small sample except EP too high and CO too low. I have succeeded to increase my 3bet% and no stupid calls at blinds when should 3bet.


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

Holdem is sooooooo sick:rage: especially tournaments. Pokerstars Powerpath step 2, Preflop AI

Can't get rid of that annoying note because I have HM3 Omaha small stakes


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

As planned not too much playing in June. Only about 6000 hands so far in both, PS and GG, both small+.

Lot of funny hands in both, probably best was today on PS. Villain donked pot on flop and I called because those donks may mean that villain just has 4 cards and he likes donking. If he check-raised after my cbet I probably folded.

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PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $2.06 (103 bb)
SB: $2.35 (117.5 bb)
BB: $1.98 (99 bb)
UTG: $1.94 (97 bb)
Hero (CO): $2.25 (112.5 bb)

SB posts $0.01, BB posts $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K♥: J♥: Q♥: K♦:
fold, Hero raises to $0.07, fold, SB calls $0.06, fold

Flop: ($0.16, 2 players) 6♥: 6♠: 3♦:
SB bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.15

Turn: ($0.46, 2 players) K♠:
SB bets $0.44, Hero raises to $1.76, SB raises to $2.13 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.27 and is all-in

River: ($4.52, 2 players) J♦:

Results: $4.52 pot ($0.15 rake)
Final Board: 6♥: 6♠: 3♦: K♠: J♦:

SB shows 8♣: 6♦: 7♠: 3♣:: (Full House, Sixes full of Threes)
(Pre 40%, Flop 91%, Turn 3%)

Hero shows K♥: J♥: Q♥: K♦:: (Full House, Kings full of Sixes)
(Pre 60%, Flop 9%, Turn 98%)

Hero wins $4.37


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

As always started game day at GG with 4*0,25 S&G, 3*0,5+ 0,75 and won all. Let's hope it was good omen for todays PLO grinding:f_thumbsup:


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

Used today Pokerstars Power Path step 3 ticket. In prize pool some silver passes and 25 step 4 tickets and $37 for 26th. Targeted that 26th but didn't succeed, got a step 4 $109 ticket:evil: Now I have 2 $109 tickets and don't know what to do with them. Selection of available tournaments look terrible. Those with money prizes are 2 day tournaments and others give gold, silver or bronze passes to tournaments. Is there any way to sell those step 4 tickets?


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

I got a reminder email from Pokerstars:

We just wanted to drop you a quick note to remind you that you have an unused Bronze Power Pass / $109 Power Path Step 4 ticket.
To use your pass, simply head to the ‘Power Path’ tab in our app or client, and then head to ‘Redeem your pass’.

I opened that "Redeem your pass" page but can't see anything what could be redeemed with $109 ticket. Something I don't see or understand?

On My Rewards page I see available $109 tournaments, screenshot in my previous post.


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