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Tiuyt
Joined: 11.03.2012

GG Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

SB: $0.41 (20.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.13 (106.5 bb)
UTG: $4.54 (227 bb)
MP: $0.50 (25 bb)
CO: $2.00 (100 bb)
BTN: $1.35 (67.5 bb)

SB posts $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has Q♣: T♣:
fold, MP raises to $0.04, fold, BTN calls $0.04, SB calls $0.03, Hero calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.16, 4 players) 2♦: T♥: Q♠:
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, fold, Hero calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.34, 3 players) T♦:
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

River: ($0.34, 3 players) 3♣:
Hero bets $0.24, MP raises to $0.40 and is all-in, BTN calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.16

Results: $1.54 pot ($0.07 rake)
Final Board: 2♦: T♥: Q♠: T♦: 3♣:

MP shows 3♠: 3♦:: (Full House, Threes full of Tens)
(Pre 36%, Flop 9%, Turn 0%)

BTN shows 4♠: T♠:: (Three of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 22%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)

Hero shows Q♣: T♣:: (Full House, Tens full of Queens)
(Pre 42%, Flop 87%, Turn 100%)

Hero wins $1.45

I don't know if this is a stupid question. But why are my only choices on the river is just to call or fold after betting?


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Rhodriguez
Joined: 01.10.2006

Complete and Incomplete Raises
An incomplete raise does not reopen the betting, i.e. players who have already acted in the betting round cannot raise again. They can only call the incomplete raise or fold.

If your bet was 0.20 and MP went all-in you would have been able to re-raise.
If BTN raised to 0.48 you would have been able to re-raise.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I have moved the hand to the hand discussion board. There fits it better.
Indeed. You need to beware about the stack sizes of all players if you making a bet. Now you bet bigger than the short stack can raise and than is calling the only option when villain shoves and the other player is just over calling.

In the end I would consider to raise the flop for value to isolate the short stack for 25c in total.
As played is only the sizing on the river a little bit to much, but that's something to work on for next time.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Tiuyt
Joined: 11.03.2012

Thanks a lot. I suspected it was somehow related to stack sizes. Wiser next time.

Flop raising, is probably the best line for this hand.

As played, would it be better to bet ½ pot or less on the river?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I think 20c would be the perfect size on the river.


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shooshte
Joined: 23.08.2018

Can you explain a bit more about the 20c bet sizing on the river? Interested in why 20c is better than 24c here, since it seems like a very small difference to me.


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Fagin
Joined: 06.05.2008

If I read this correctly, a bet of 20c by you on the river still gets the shove from the MP (he's always going all in here with his boat), the B still calls but then you have the option to raise as the shove is equal to a min raise of your river bet. This potentially allows you to get more value out of the B who may still call another bet, particularly if they put you on a bare Q which they can easily do considering how the hand was played.

Betting 24c, while it seems a larger bet loses you the option of getting any further value out of the B. It's something that is easily overlooked in the heat of the moment, particularly if you are maybe facing action on another table or two, however being aware of stack sizes and their relation to bet sizes is both useful and important to become familiar with. I've been guilty of costing myself value by making similar errors in the past.

We learn more from our mistakes than from when we play perfectly :f_thumbsup:


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by shooshte
Can you explain a bit more about the 20c bet sizing on the river? Interested in why 20c is better than 24c here, since it seems like a very small difference to me.

Basicly already what Rhodriguez and later Fagin already told you.


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