Originally posted by shooshte
Hey, question about 3-betting vs steals and 4-bet bluffs. How do we play these hands when we get called and hit post-flop?Spoiler
An example of this would be this hand:
GG Poker - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4Hero (BTN): 104.5 BB
SB: 110 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 102.5 BB
MP: 90.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
CO: 206.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♦ 2♦
fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6 BB
Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 7♦ 6♦ K♣
CO checks, Hero bets 6.5 BB, CO calls 6.5 BBTurn: (32.5 BB, 2 players) 9♣
CO checks, Hero bets 21.5 BB, CO raises to 191 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 67.5 BB and is all-inRiver: (210.5 BB, 2 players) 8♦
CO shows J♦ T♦ (Flush, Jack High)
(Pre 44%, Flop 22%, Turn 27%)
Hero shows A♦ 2♦ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 56%, Flop 78%, Turn 73%)
Hero wins 206 BBPlaying according to the strategy (if I understand correctly), I have a made hand (flush draw), so I should be calling the turn shove. But I don't think that calling is the correct play here, at least not when thinking the hand trough.
Is playing these hands post-flop too advanced for this beginner strategy or is there a "simple" way to evaluate playing post-flop?
Hello shooshte, in the future please don't leave any results in your hands. That only leads to result-oriented evaluation, which we don't need ![]()
To A2s
Spoiler
Preflop/Flop
Correct beginners play!
Turn
Now it gets a bit more complicated, so let's start at the beginning. Your 2/3 bet is correct. But your call is wrong according to the original strategy. There is a mistake in the English strategy. I don't know how it got in there, but it's good that we've discovered it now.
In the English text there is no maximum for a call with a draw, but in the German original there is. It says:
If an opponent raises, we call every hand from the "made hand" category on the turn, if the raise comes on the river we go all in. Draws on the turn are only called if the raise is not greater than 2.5x.
As you can see, according to the original strategy you should have folded because the raise is greater than 2.5x.
You need about 33% equity to call here, which you are unlikely to have against a logical opponent's range consisting of top pairs, straights, 2 pairs, sets and strong draws.
Ps.:
I will then immediately remove the error in the English strategy text.




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