[Closed] Pokernoob's etiquette criticised PokerPlayer Magazine

when he slammed the cards into the table it was pretty obvius someone was going to criticize him, it was a stupid thing to do imo what if the dealer makes a mistake and gives the pot to the wolfe? is being a douche that important?

however de Wolfe mucked the winner hand so I don't know what rule should be changed , muck your cards = lose the pot

it's not even angleshooting, it's the best bluff ever ♠_cool:

ok, the fistpump and shouting is bad etiquette, but are they going to write an article about every guy who does this?

Expect an answer from Pokernoob about this whole situation in an interview very soon

his reaction was completely ok imo, it wasn't a standard successful bluffcatch, it was much more special than that, so it's natural to react like that.

Well the guys over at 2+2 definitely aren't loving him, though they seem to agree that the behaviours of De Wolfe and the dealer were also questionable.

Personally I think that De Wolfe could have avoided all this had he just shown the hand, since technically the other guy paid to see both cards.

Originally posted by nafar84
Well the guys over at 2+2 definitely aren't loving him, though they seem to agree that the behaviours of De Wolfe and the dealer were also questionable.

Well the general oppinion over there seems to be the same as here. de Wolfe was dumb. He showed one card and mucked his hand --> Tobias wins. The fistpump from Tobias was not appropriate imo. As far as I understand he wouldn't even have to show his hand to take down the pot after de Wolfe's muck?

Lol at this discussion seriously.

So Tobias gets flamed because he wins a pot from somebody who is angleshooting?

Roland only showed 1 card and tried to take the pot with that, but you need 2 cards to win. If you don't show 2 cards you don't win.

He doesn't have to show, but implied tilt odds are great

You can argue that the fist pump was a little over the top, but how many times in a lifetime can you do something like that in an important event. I know I would be fist pumping, also from what I heard he apologized afterwards.

For all other things that happened, the other guy made a dumb move and then the dealer also made some questionable things.

I think that anyone who is a competitive player, must just bow to what Pokernoob did. It takes guts, observation skills, logical thinking in a fraction of a second.

Those are the champion moves that can't be taught, you need them in your blood.

I agree with what Robbie said on the topic: http://teamblog.pokerstrategy.com/Queen_Six_One_Last_Time

The people are criticising the wrong stuff. The fist pump isn't necessary and its ok to state this. Tobias apologized for it several times even.

The unsportsmanlike conduct came from Roland though - so no point in flaming Tobias for not showing.

Yeah i agree with robbie, nice blog by him. The fact that he apologized for the fist pump is good of him but Roland should have shown both his cards and he clearly puts his cards into the muck and lets go of them.

-Jack

can anyone explain to me what angle shooting is?

basically: exploiting a loophole or a flaw in a rule.

For instance: http://www.poker-babes.com/poker/definitions/angle/

Edit: still I don't quite understand what Pokernoob did. The way article explains it that de Wolfe mucked his hand and all the action took place AFTER that and I don't see any problem in that? Would appreciate more thorough explanation of the action...

Pokernoob check/called the river. De wolfe showed one card, then flipped it back and pushed both his cards past the line, and under the muck -- at this point, his hand is dead for those two reasons.
Since DW's hand is dead, pokernoob shows the bluff (call). The dealer retrieves DW's hand and flips it over (which he shouldn't do).

It was all 100% within the rules, and DW was just pissed because he made a stupid mistake and paid for it.

Originally posted by swissmoumout
The dealer retrieves DW's hand and flips it over (which he shouldn't do).

RDW was dumb, dut I'd be very pissed off if the worse hand took down the pot AND the dumb dealer showed both my cards after I mucked them.

I think the dealer was right to retreive de wolfes cards and show them - since he was aggressor and his bet was called, he must show his cards first. De Wolfe tried to break the rules of the game by mucking without showing them, just as Tobias predicted he would.

LOL i find it funny

maybe theres a video somewhere?

It's not against the rules to muck when you're called, it's just a bad idea because then, the other player doesn't have to show his hand.. (see where this is going?)

here's the vid: