[Closed] Pokernoob's etiquette criticised PokerPlayer Magazine

Renmerb · 2009-09-23T13:52:40Z

In this months issue of PokerPlayer the etiquette of fellow PokerStrategist Tobias "Pokernoob" Reinkemeier is called into question in the Editors opening comments. The incident in question is the hand against Roland de Wolfe at the recent EPT Barcelona. If you don't know which hand, you can read about it in PokerStrategy news.The Editor generally goes on to say that this is bad etiquette, and the rules should be tightened up to avoid this sort of incident. He closes his article by calling those who use these grey areas of the rules "classless characters", a bit harsh I think you'll agree. Is there anything wrong with this type of play? If it is wrong, how do you stop it? In my own opinion, Tobias was playing within the rules and it is de Wolfes own fault he lost. He could have shown his hand and waited for Tobias to muck or show a winning hand. The only thing I wouldn't be happy with was the supposed fist pump and the slamming of the cards on the table, but I can understand being pleased at picking up the chips. Your opinion?

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mafaz

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24.09.2009, 05:24 0

Originally posted by delete461
I think the dealer was right to retreive de wolfes cards and show them - since he was aggressor and his bet was called, he must show his cards first. De Wolfe tried to break the rules of the game by mucking without showing them, just as Tobias predicted he would.

wrong

I am a dealer myself. And i would never ever show a players cards for everyone if he mucks it.
You dont have to show your hand even if you get called you can muck it. But after it is mucked you cant take cards of a muck and say "I'm sorry i mucked a winner gimme the pot" LOL

LOL i remmeber the stupid situation in my casino....

There was a drunk guy playing.
The pot was huge at that time. The drunk guy is batling with some other guy.
When a river comes a drunk guy proudly shows the nuts. The problem is theres a betting round after the river also So since he showed the hand straight away after the river came without a betting round it is considered as fold and the guy with some crap hand won the pot

Faye6891

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24.09.2009, 05:28 0

Originally posted by delete461
I think the dealer was right to retreive de wolfes cards and show them - since he was aggressor and his bet was called, he must show his cards first.

It's true that since he was called he must show his cards first, when declines to do so and mucks his hand, he forfeits the pot, wich as Swiss just said, it's not against the rules. That's why the tournament director was right in awarding the pot to pokernoob. But the dealer could've never shown RDW's cards, they were mucked and no one gets to see cards in the muck, right?

It's the same as showing all the hands the other players' folded, after all, they are all in the muck, but that makes no sense.

I'd be pretty happy if pokernoob had fist pumped the dealer's head! ♦

EDIT: And I take so much time writing my posts that when I finally post them, someone else has already posted something similar...

Poker is just like sex: Everybody thinks they are good at it, but only a few know what they are doing.

alejandrosh

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24.09.2009, 07:29 0

good thing he apologized for the fist pump, it was a very hellmuthic thing to do. he won the pot fair and square there's no doubt about that anyway.